证券分析中的当前问题——第八讲(纽约金融学院,1946-47年)
题目:证券分析中的当前问题——第 8 讲(纽约金融学院,1946-47 年)
各位,今晚我要讲的主题,其实是一个很实际的问题:如何在当前的市场环境下,运用证券分析的原则。你们都知道,我们现在所处的,是一个历史上罕见的牛市后期阶段。道琼斯工业平均指数已经从 1942 年的低点上涨了大约 150%,股价普遍处于高位。那么,问题就来了:在这种情况下,我们这些做分析的人,还能不能找到值得买入的证券?或者说,我们是不是应该改变自己的分析方法,去适应这个市场?我的答案是:不,我们不应该改变基本原则。但我们需要更严格地应用它们,尤其是安全边际的概念。安全边际,简单说,就是你为一只证券支付的价格,要显著低于它经你审慎估算出的内在价值。这个差额,就是你的缓冲垫,用来吸收判断错误或意外事件带来的冲击。在牛市里,人们往往会忘记这个缓冲垫,开始为未来的增长预期支付过高的价格,而增长本身是极难预测的。所以,今晚我要跟大家讨论的,就是如何在这样一个高价位市场上,依然能够识别和把握那些仍然存在安全边际的机会。
Lectures
第八讲
Lecture Number Eight
以下为本杰明·格雷厄姆于 1946 年 9 月至 1947 年 2 月在纽约金融学院讲授的“证券分析中的当前问题”系列讲座的转录文本。该内容以节选形式收录于珍妮特·洛所著的《重访本杰明·格雷厄姆:华尔街传奇文选》(Wiley,1999 年 4 月)。此外,全部十场讲座的完整 HTML 版本可在出版商网站上查阅。
This is a transcript of a lecture from the series Current Problems in Security Analysis presented by Benjamin Graham at the New York Institute of Finance from September 1946 to February 1947. This content is found in abridged form in The Rediscovered Benjamin Graham: Selected Writings of the Wall Street Legend (Wiley, April 1999) by Janet Lowe. Alternatively, full html versions for all ten lectures are available on the publisher’s website.
由此可知,在处理价值被低估的证券时,分析师很可能会对具体的企业进展产生浓厚兴趣,进而关注正确的企业政策。而一旦对企业政策产生兴趣,他可能会进而批评错误政策,并积极推动正确的政策——他认定这一切都是为了股东的利益。事实也是如此,在相当高比例的案例中,市场上的低估状态可以通过公司本身或围绕公司的恰当行动得以消除。
It follows that, in dealing with undervalued securities, the analyst is likely to become greatly interested in specific corporate developments, and therefore in proper corporate policies. And from being interested in corporate policies, he may pass over into being critical of wrong policies and actively agitating to bring about correct policies -- all of which he considers to be in the stockholders’ interests. For it is true that in a fairly large percentage of cases the undervaluation in the market can be removed by proper action by or in the corporation.
于是,在不知不觉的推理过程中,低估型证券专家发现自己正变成华尔街最令人厌恶的东西——一个满腹牢骚的股东。
Consequently, by insensible stages of reasoning, the specialist in undervalued securities finds himself turning into that abomination of Wall Street known as a disgruntled stockholder.
我想对心怀不满的股东们说几句。依我浅见,股东的问题在于,心怀不满的人还不够多。华尔街的一大麻烦在于,它分不清公司事务中一个纯粹的捣乱分子或“诉讼敲诈者”,与一个怀有合理诉求、应当得到管理层及其他股东关注的股东之间的区别。
I want to say a word about disgruntled stockholders. The trouble with stockholders, in my humble opinion, is that not enough of them are disgruntled. And one of the great troubles with Wall Street is that it cannot distinguish between a mere troublemaker or “strike- suitor” in corporation affairs and a stockholder with a legitimate complaint which deserves attention from his management and from his fellow stockholders.
*** 提问:关于投资收益,难道确定投资收益的方式不可能是保守的吗?换句话说,据我所知,投资收益可能仅仅包括利息、股息收入,而排除了资本增值的部分。
*** QUESTION: In connection with investment income, isn’t it possible that the method in which that is determined might be conservative? In other words, investment income, as I understand it, would probably be income from interest, dividends, and excluding capital appreciation.
格雷厄姆先生是的。很高兴你提出这个问题,因为我之前遗漏了关于保险公司投资中资本增值或贬值这一点的讨论。
MR. GRAHAMYes. I am glad you raised the question, because I omitted any reference
to the question of capital appreciation or depreciation in insurance company investments.
说到这个话题,我想回顾一下 20 世纪 20 年代保险公司股票广受欢迎的原因。当时流行的分析认为,保险股股东是极其幸运的人,因为持有这类股票能带来三种不同且可观的收入来源。第一种来自保险业务本身——这被当作一个绝佳的行业,尽管当时并没有人分析这项业务究竟贡献了多少利润。大家想当然地认为,这对股东来说就是一门好生意。
Speaking about that I would like to go back to the reasons for the popularity of insurance company shares in the 1920’s. The analyses that used to be made at that time indicated that the insurance stockholder was a very fortunate person, because he had three different and valuable sources of income. One was the insurance business, which was supposed to be a very good industry, although there was no analysis of how much it contributed in earnings in those days. It was taken for granted that it was a good business for the stockholder.
当时有人说,你不仅用自己的钱赚取利息,还能用保单持有人以未赚保费和未支付赔款等形式留给你的大量资金来赚取利息和股息。这样一来,你每投入 1 美元自有资金,实际上有大约 2 美元在为你工作,产生投资收益。
Then it was said that you got the interest on money, not only your own money, but you got interest and dividends also on a lot of money that the policyholders had left with you in the form of unearned premiums and unpaid losses, and so on. Thus, for every dollar of your own, you had a total of about two dollars working for you, drawing investment income.
第三个优势是,你们有极为出色的投资管理团队,帮你们把钱投到证券里,为你们赚了大把利润。
The third advantage was that you had extremely capable investment managements putting your money in securities and making a lot of profits for you.
当然,在 20 世纪 20 年代市场上涨时,它们确实为你赚了钱;而在 30 年代初期市场下跌时,它们自然也让你损失了一大笔钱。
Of course they made profits for you in the 1920’s when the market was going up, and of course they lost a great deal of money in the early 1930’s when the market was going
第八讲,证券分析当前面临的问题 本杰明·格雷厄姆
Lecture Number Eight, Current Problems in Security Analysis Benjamin Graham
跌了。1937 到 38 年也是同样的情况,他们在 37 年 3 月之前赚了很多钱,然后在随后的下跌中亏掉了大部分。
down. The same thing happened in 1937-38, when they made a lot of money up to March ‘37, then they lost a great deal in the ensuing decline.
所有这些历史经验归结起来,我很确定的一点是:如今精明的投资者并不愿意为保险公司管理层在未来多年里为他们赚取资本收益的能力支付很高的价格。事实证明,我们并没有像对待投资信托那样,对保险公司的投资业绩进行定期检查和细致分析,因为这项业务本身不太适合这样做。但这是可以做到的。我将给你们提供一些美国公平保险公司(American Equitable Insurance Company)在 20 年间的数据,来说明这家公司在这段时间里,其投资和承保业务的表现如何。
The net of all this history, I am pretty sure, is that today’s sophisticated investors are not willing to pay very much for the ability of insurance managements to make capital gains for them over the years. It turns out that we do not have the type of check-ups and careful analysis of insurance company investment results that we have in the case of investment trusts, because the business does not lend itself so easily to that kind of thing. But it can be done. I am going to give you some figures on American Equitable Insurance Company over a 20 year period, to indicate how that company made out of that period of time with its investments as well as with its underwritings.
但总体而言,就你问的这个具体问题来说——今天没有哪位投资者,我想也没有哪位分析师——愿意给保险业在证券本金上赚取利润的能力任何特别的肯定。保险业在好年头会从这个部门赚钱,在坏年头则会亏钱。这么说可能对它不公平;但我确信,这就是当前证券分析师的普遍看法。
But on the whole, just answering the specific question asked, no investor today -- and I don’t think any analyst -- is willing to give the insurance business any special credit for ability to make profits on the principal value of its securities. It will make profits in good years and it will lose money in bad years from that department. That may be doing it an injustice; but that I am sure is the general opinion of security analysts at the present time.
*** 提问:您能否花一分钟解释一下保费和承保利润的区别?这有点专业。什么是承保利润?
*** QUESTION: Would you care to take a minute to differentiate between premiums and underwriting profit? That is a little technical. What is underwriting profit?
格雷厄姆先生承保利润是直接来自保险业务的利润。它由支付损失和承保业务费用后的余额构成。此外,它还包含一个被称为未到期保费准备金增加的组成部分,这是一个技术性概念。通常认为,资产负债表上“未到期保费准备金”项下列示的负债,有 40% 左右实际上是股东的权益。当这个数字上升时,当年的保险利润就会相应增加,反之亦然。因此,承保结果实际上由两部分构成:一是直接的经营结果,二是未到期保费准备金增减所对应的权益部分。
MR. GRAHAMUnderwriting profit is the profit earned from the insurance business as
such. It consists of the balance left after you pay the losses and the expenses of the underwriting business. It includes, moreover, a certain component known as the increase in the unearned premium reserve, which is a technicality. It is generally accepted that the liabilities shown on the balance sheet for “unearned premium reserves” include, to the extent of 40 per cent ordinarily, an amount that is really the stockholders’ equity. When that figure goes up, the insurance profits for the year are increased accordingly, and conversely. Thus you really have two parts to your underwriting results: One, the straight result, and the other the equity in the increase or decrease in the unearned premium reserve.
不过,关于这家公司清算价值或股权的计算方法,我确实想说点东西,但先放一放再说。
I do want to say something about the method of calculating liquidating values, or equities, in this business, but I will delay that for a while.
现场人士关于承保利润增长的可能性,而非承保业务费率上调的问题。战争过后总会有一段平静期,当财产保险的费率必须随着重置价值上升而上调时。
QUESTIONWhat of the possibilities of increasing the underwriting profits, rather of
raising rates in underwriting business? You always get a lull after a war, when the insurance on property has to be marked up after the replacement value advance.
格雷厄姆先生在回答这个问题时,我想把近期业绩和长期平均业绩做严格区分。火灾保险业务的近期业绩很糟糕。我认为大多数保险公司在 1946 年都出现了亏损——具体数据尚未公布——而大约一半的公司在 1945 年可能也是亏损的。我一直在谈的是十年平均数据,我认为这些数字相当公允地反映了你在保险行业多年可以预期的表现。未来十年的业绩可能会比过去十年稍微好一点。
MR. GRAHAMIn answering that question now, I would like to distinguish very sharply
between recent results and long-term average results. The recent results of the fire business have been bad. Most companies, I think, showed losses for 1946 -- the figures are not out yet -- and about half of them, perhaps, showed losses for 1945. The results that I have been dealing with have been ten-year average figures, and I think that they pretty fairly represent what you can expect over the years in the insurance business. It may be that the results will be a little better in the next ten years than they were in the last
第八讲,证券分析的当前问题 本杰明·格雷厄姆
Lecture Number Eight, Current Problems in Security Analysis Benjamin Graham
十年,但我不认为保险分析师或投资者应该特别指望这一点。他们应该指望未来五年比过去两三年表现更好——这当然是另一回事了。
ten years, but I don’t believe that an insurance analyst or an investor ought to count particularly upon that. He should count upon their being better in the next five years than they were in the last two or three, which is of course a different matter.
现场人士那为什么像 American Reserve 甚至 North River 这样的公司还能继续经营呢?
QUESTIONWhy do companies like the American Reserve or even the North River stay
in business, then?
格雷厄姆先生北河公司当然还在经营,因为它已经存在了 126 年,建立起了规模庞大的业务,并且多年来业务不断增长,这让公司管理层、代理人以及投保人都感到满意。至于它现在是否让股东满意,我认为从来没人问过这个问题,而且我觉得在任何这类公司里,也没人问过这样的问题。
MR. GRAHAMThe North River Company stays in business, of course, because it has
been in existence for 126 years, and has built up a large business, which has increased over the years, which has been satisfactory to the people running the business, to its agents, and to its policyholders. Whether it is now satisfactory to the stockholders I don’t think has ever been asked, and I don’t think such questions are asked in any of these companies.
我读过不少火灾保险公司给股东的报告。那些报告通常只有一页资产负债表,外加几页列出所持证券的清单。至于这家公司到底有多赚钱——这个问题压根儿没被讨论。我觉得,要是谁提出这个问题,大概会被认为不够绅士吧。
I have read a number of reports of fire insurance companies to their stockholders. They consist generally of a one-page balance sheet and a few pages listing the securities owned. The question of how profitable is the business, is just not discussed. I suppose it would be ungentlemanly to raise the point.
提问者你这里的数字显示的是报告中列出的承保利润,还是做了某些调整(比如贝斯特公司针对未赚保费的调整)?
QUESTIONDo your figures here show underwriting profit as reported, or is some
adjustment made such as the Best adjustments for unearned premiums?
格雷厄姆先生这些项目中包括未赚保费调整,这是相当标准的做法。事实上,保险公司自己在很多情况下,在股东大会的讨论中都会说明这项调整的具体金额。这在财产险行业确实是标准程序,另外还有一种调整,我稍后会提到——即不同准备金方法之间的差异。
MR. GRAHAMThese include the unearned premium adjustment, which is pretty
standard. In fact, the companies themselves, in many cases, indicate what that amounts to in their discussions at their annual meetings. It is really standard procedure In the casualty business there is still another adjustment, which I will mention later on -- the difference between one kind of reserve and another kind of reserve method.
现场股东股东们对保险公司一无所知的原因之一,我觉得,是直到最近,保险公司都不发布任何损益表。它们只公布资产负债表,就跟银行过去做的那样。
QUESTIONWell, one of the reasons for stockholders not knowing anything about
insurance companies is the fact, that I think, until recently they didn’t publish any profit or loss statements. They just gave balance sheets on the statement, just like the bank did.
格雷厄姆先生是的。如果我是某家保险公司的股东,我会想知道这家公司是否足够盈利,而且我会去问。但显然,保险公司的股东们并没有在问到要求年报中分析或列示这些数字的程度。
MR. GRAHAMYes. If I were a stockholder in an insurance company, I would like to
know whether the business was profitable enough, and I would ask. But apparently the stockholders in the insurance companies don’t ask that question, to the extent of requiring that the figures be analyzed or presented in the annual reports.
有趣的是,财险公司往往发布相当详尽的报告,信息披露很充分。原因之一或许是,过去十年财险业务相当赚钱。
The casualty companies, interestingly enough, tend to publish rather elaborate reports, with a good deal of information. One reason, perhaps, is that the casualty business has been quite profitable in the last ten years.
提问者你不觉得股东们的自满情绪,是因为早期投资保险公司的那些人——比如大陆保险公司,或者所谓的“家庭集团”——在过去二十年里,用他们的钱赚得盆满钵满了吗?他们是不是被哄得昏昏欲睡那是另一回事,但我认为这就是原因所在。
QUESTIONDon’t you think the stockholders’ complacency is caused by the fact that
the early investor in insurance companies -- such as continental, or what is called the “Home Group” -- has done very well over the last twenty years with his money. Whether he has been lulled to sleep is another thing, but I think that has been the cause of it.
第八讲,证券分析当前面临的问题 本杰明·格雷厄姆
Lecture Number Eight, Current Problems in Security Analysis Benjamin Graham
格雷厄姆先生我无法告诉你们,过去二十年里这些公司各自发生了什么。但我确实知道,在火险类公司中,有些公司二十年来业绩非常糟糕;而像北河公司这样我认为相当有代表性的公司,起初表现非常出色,但最终却陷入了一种无法为股东创造真正好业绩的境地。我认为,如果你拿其他公司来作分析,结论不会有太大变化。你可能会找到一两个例外,比如圣保罗火险与海事公司,但这样的例外极为稀少。
MR. GRAHAMI am not in a position to tell you what happened in the last twenty years
to every one of these companies. But I do know that in the fire group some companies have done very badly for twenty years; and a company like North River, which I believe is pretty representative, has started off doing very well and is finishing up in a situation which does not permit it to do really well for its stockholders. I don’t believe that this analysis would be subject to much change if you took other companies. You might find one or two exceptions, such as the St. Paul Fire and Marine. But they are extraordinarily few.
问 题共同基金的竞争在这里是一个因素吗?
QUESTIONIs the competition of mutual a factor here?
格雷厄姆先生我不知道那是否真是一个因素。也许是吧。但保险公司在需要时,会努力通过向各保险委员会申请来争取提高费率,而这一过程总是存在滞后。
MR. GRAHAMI don’t know whether that really is a factor. It might be. But the
insurance companies endeavor to obtain higher rates when they need them by application to the various insurance boards, and there is always a lag in getting them.
提问者互助保险公司(mutual)的律师们一再强调,他们的费用比股份保险公司(stock company)更低。这是他们的一大卖点。也就是说,以向代理人支付佣金的形式呈现。这是保单持有人的净成本。
QUESTIONThe solicitors for the mutual insistently cite expenses cheaper than the stock
company. That is one of their big points. That is to say, in the form of commissions to agents. Net costs to the policy holder.
本杰明·格雷厄姆如果真是这样,我也不会感到意外。有理由相信,火险保单上支付的佣金规模一直过高——就是支付给代理人的佣金。在我看来,推销火险保单并不需要多少销售技巧。推销寿险保单或许需要不少技巧。火险的佣金一直相当高,我认为最近在一些情况下,州保险部门之所以迟迟不愿批准保费上调,原因就在于付给代理人的佣金过高。至少我得到的信息是这样,但我不能把这当作事实来说。
MR. GRAHAMI shouldn’t be surprised if that were so. There is reason to believe that
the scale of commissions paid on fire insurance policies has been too high -- the commissions paid to agents. It doesn’t take a great deal of salesmanship in my opinion to sell a fire insurance policy. It does take quite a bit perhaps to sell a life insurance policy. The fire commissions have been pretty large, and I think that in some cases recently the state insurance departments have hesitated to permit premium raises on the ground that the commissions to agents have been too high. At least so I am informed, but I will not state that as a fact.
提问者财险行业的人总是强调保单持有人的成本。
QUESTIONThe casualty men always stress cost to the policyholders.
格雷厄姆先生互助公司也是这样吗?嗯,在意外险领域,尽管面临与互助公司的竞争,股份公司还是能够为它们的股东赚取相当可观的利润。关于这个问题还有其他问题吗?
MR. GRAHAMIn the mutual, too? Well, in the casualty field, in spite of the
competitions with the mutual companies, the stock companies have been able to earn a very considerable sum of money for their stockholders. Are there any other questions about that?
提问者回到一个可能比较初级的问题。我对这些行业完全不了解。您列出了 1927 年和 1945 年的统计数字。我能理解为什么投资收入下降了,但即使有点重复,您能否解释一下,为什么承保利润会急剧下降,以及这种情况是暂时的,还是会持续下去?
QUESTIONTo get back to a point that might be elementary. I am not at all familiar with
these industries. You have 1927 and 1945 statistics on the board. I can see why there has been a decline in investment income; but even if it is repetitious, will you explain why there has been that sharp decline in underwriting profit, and whether that is a transitory situation or will it continue?
格雷厄姆先生北河保险公司承保利润下降的原因有两个:一是每美元保险承保的利润,从那些年间的约 6% 下降到了 4%。很难说这是否是永久性的。我倾向于认为,这个比率有逐年微降的趋势。
MR. GRAHAMThe decline in the underwriting profit of North River is due to two
factors: One is the profit per dollar of insurance written, which went down from about six per cent to four per cent for those two years. It is difficult to say whether that is a permanent thing or not. I am inclined to think that there is a slight tendency for that rate to go down through the years.
第八讲,证券分析的当前问题 本杰明·格雷厄姆
Lecture Number Eight, Current Problems in Security Analysis Benjamin Graham
更重要的事实是,这家公司的保费收入,相对于每股股东权益而言,已经减少了一半。因此,在同样的利润率下,你在股票上的收益只有原来的一半。这就像你现在的每美元资本只对应 50 美分的销售额,而不是 1 美元。
The more important fact is that the amount of premiums written by this company, per dollar of stockholders’ equity, has been cut in two. Therefore, with the same rate of profit you would only earn half as much on your stock. That is just like saying you now have only 50 cents of sales per dollar of capital, instead of a dollar of sales.
背后的原因非常有意思,我想多聊几句。实际情况是,1945 年以来,这些公司通过各种方式大幅增加了股东权益,增长幅度远超保费的增幅。结果就是,从为股东创造良好回报的角度看,它们每做一美元生意所对应的资本金,实在太多了。
The reason for that is very interesting, and I would like to comment on it a bit. What has happened is that these companies have built up their stockholders’ equity in various ways in the period to a much greater extent than they built up their premiums. The result is that from the standpoint of good results for the stockholders, they seem to have much too much capital per dollar of business done in 1945.
当然,保险公司肯定会否认这一点。他们会说,资本越雄厚,对投保人越有利,因此对股东也越有利。他们还会说,预计未来业务量会大幅增长,所以应该保留资本以备业务扩张之用。但事实上,从实实在在的金钱角度看,情况就是:北河公司(North River Company)在 1945 年拥有 2500 万美元的股东资本,但只做了大约 900 万美元的生意——每美元资本对应的业务量非常小。而在 1927 年,他们用不到一半的资本,却做了更大的业务量。
Of course, the insurance companies will insist that is not true. They will say that the more capital they have the better the policyholders are, and therefore the better the stockholders are. They will also say that they expect to do very much more business in the future, and therefore they should have the capital available for the expanding business. But the fact remains that in dollars and cents you have the situation that the North River Company had $25-million of stockholders’ capital and did about $9-million of business in 1945, which is a very small amount of business per dollar of capital. In 1927 they did a somewhat larger amount of business with less than half the amount of capital.
这件事根本没有引起任何人的关注,也就是没有股东关注过。就管理层而言,他们手上的资本越多,日子就越好过。这一点毋庸置疑。
No attention has been paid to that matter by anyone, that is by any stockholder. As far as the management is concerned, the more capital they have, the better off they are. There isn’t the slightest doubt about that.
现场人士他们难道没有更多钱投资股票吗?
QUESTIONHaven’t they got more money to invest in stocks?
格雷厄姆先生他们有了更多资金可以投资股票,但这对于股东来说并非什么特别的好处,因为股东自己投进去的钱也多了。问题在于投资回报率如何,而这一回报率自然也同样下降了。
MR. GRAHAMThey have more money to invest in stocks, but that is no special
advantage to the stockholder because he has more money of his own invested. The question is what about the rate of return, and that has gone down too, of course.
你的问题有更好的答案。因为资本规模变大了,每美元资本对应的投资额反而下降。原因在于,除了用股东资本投资,他们还把经营过程中产生的其他资金也拿来投资。相对于业务规模而言,资本越大,超额部分的比例就越小。这组数据能说明问题:1927 年,他们每 1 美元股东资本对应 1.45 美元投资资产;而现在,这个数字只有 1.18 美元。所以在这一点上他们也吃亏了。
There is a better answer to your question. Because they have more capital, the amount of investment per dollar of capital goes down. The reason is that in addition to investing the stockholders’ capital they invest other moneys that come out of the conduct of the business. The more capital there is in relation to the business, the less proportionate excess do they have. That is shown in this figure: In 1927 they had $1.45 of invested assets per dollar of stockholder’s capital, and now they have only $1.18. So they lost out in that respect too.
那么,我想有人应该问一句:“股东们能做什么,才能从北河保险公司的投资中获得像样的回报?”我们假设这事由股东来决定——这在任何人看来都是个非常非常不寻常的提议,尽管理论上听着很基本。有一个可能的答案:假设你们把资本与保费之间的关系恢复到 1927 年的水平,那一年情况相当令人满意,方法很简单,就是把超出业务所需的过多资本还给股东。如果你们这么做,就能在资本上获得大约 6% 的收益。
Now, I might suggest that somebody should raise the question, “What can the stockholders do to get a decent return on their investment on the North River Insurance Company?” Let us assume it was a matter for the stockholders to decide, which would be a very extraordinary suggestion for anyone to make -- elementary as it sounds in theory. Here is a possible answer: Suppose you re-established the relationship between capital and premiums that existed in 1927, when things were quite satisfactory, by simply returning to the stockholders the excess capital in relation to the business done. If you did that, you would be able to get the earnings of about six per cent on your capital and to
第八讲,《证券分析的当前问题》本杰明·格雷厄姆
Lecture Number Eight, Current Problems in Security Analysis Benjamin Graham
用你的资本支付 4% 的股息,我建议这可以算作对股东合理回报的一种定义。之所以能做到这一点,是因为当你从目前每股 31 美元中拿出 15 美元派发后——留给股东用来赚钱的就只剩每股 16 美元了——你的盈利只减少了那 15 美元派发部分所能产生的净投资收益,这笔金额最多大约只有 40 美分。这样,你在剩余的 16 美元投资上大约能赚到 85 美分,从而相当接近你所需的 6% 回报率。
pay the four per cent dividend on your capital, which I suggested might be a definition of a reasonable return to the stockholder. That could happen because, when you take out $15 a share from the present $31 -- and you have left only $16 to earn money on for the stockholder -- you are reducing your earnings only by the net investment income on the $15 withdrawn, which is on the order of, say, 40 cents at the most. Thus you would earn about 85 cents on the remaining investment of $16 and you would get reasonably close to the six per cent which you need.
这种方法不会让保险公司管理层心动,但至少从股东的角度看,它在算术上有一定的合理性。
That is a method that will not recommend itself to insurance company managements, but which at least has some arithmetical validity as far as the stockholders are concerned.
关于北河公司这项分析,还有别的问题吗?
Are there any other questions about this analysis with regard to the North River Company?
提问者我不太明白。保费承保量的下降,无论是件数还是金额,原因是什么?是行业增长和竞争的问题吗?难道你不认为在 20 多年的时间里,保费的总金额应该增长吗?
QUESTIONI don’t quite understand. What is the reason for the decline in the volume,
dollar volume, of premiums underwritten? Is it a question of growth and competition in the industry? Would you not expect the over-all dollar amount of premiums to increase over a period of 20-odd years?
格雷厄姆先生情况是这样的:从全国来看,火灾保险公司签发的净保费总额从 1927 年的 9.66 亿美元增长到 1945 年的 12.26 亿美元,增幅约为三分之一。
MR. GRAHAMThe situation is this: For the country as a whole net premiums written
by fire companies grew in volume from $966-million in 1927 to $1,226-million in 1945. That would represent an increase of about one-third.
北方河公司 1945 年的保费收入是 910 万美元,而 1927 年是 1090 万美元,下降了大约 16%。很明显,北方河公司在那段时期里是倒退的。不过,许多其他保费增长的公司,其实是靠在这 20 年间收购其他公司来实现增长的。此外,相当一部分保险业务是流向了意外险公司新设立的火险子公司,等等。很可能,那些没有经历公司重组、只顾守着旧架构的典型公司,其处境与北方河公司相差无几——也就是保费下滑。
The North River Company had $9.1-million in premiums in 1945, and $10.9-million in 1927. That was a reduction of about 16 per cent. It is pretty clear that the North River Company individually went back in that period of time. Many of the other companies, which increased their premiums, however, increased them by absorbing other companies over the 20-year period. Also a good deal of the insurance written was taken by new fire subsidiaries of casualty companies, and so on. It may well be that the typical company which didn’t go through corporate changes, but just stuck to its old setup, might have had a situation not so different from the North River Company, namely, a decline in premiums.
需要指出的是,每 1000 美元保险额的保费费率在 1927 年至 1945 年间大幅下降。保险公司让投保人花同样的钱得到了更多保障。结果就是,它们的保费收入受到了影响,并不能反映承保金额的真实增长。
It is important to point out that the rate of premiums per $1,000 of insurance went down very much from 1927 to 1945. The companies gave more to the policyholder for their money. The result is that their premium income suffered, and does not reflect the true growth in the amount of coverage extended.
提问者在那 18 年期间,北河公司有没有增发过股票?
QUESTIONDid North River sell additional shares during that 18-year period?
格雷厄姆先生是的。我之前的陈述里犯了个错误,现在想纠正一下。我当时说北河公司(North River Company)保留了原先的仓位,这不对。他们收购了另一家公司,规模大约相当于他们总资本的五分之一。这意味着在此期间,他们通过吸收另一家公司,业务规模大概增加了 25%,所以他们的业务本应有所增长。至于为什么这家公司没有做到,我也不知道原因。
MR. GRAHAMYes. I made an error in my previous statement that I want to correct. I
said that the North River Company had retained its old position. That was not right. They took over another company, which represents about one-fifth of their total capitalization. That means they added about 25 per cent, presumably, to their business by absorbing another company in that period of time, so they should have shown an increase in their business. Exactly why this company didn’t do it, I don’t know.
第八讲,证券分析的当前问题 本杰明·格雷厄姆
Lecture Number Eight, Current Problems in Security Analysis Benjamin Graham
问北河保险公司是否是某集团旗下的公司?
QUESTIONIsn’t the North River one of a group of companies?
格雷厄姆先生是的,这家公司由克鲁姆-福斯特集团运营。
MR. GRAHAMYes, it is operated by the Crum and Forster organization.
提问者他们可能把保费塞进了旗下其他公司。
QUESTIONThey may have stuck the premiums in some of their other companies.
本杰明·格雷厄姆这也许就是原因所在。关于保险公司管理层如何处理股东利益,这又引出了另一个有趣的问题。许多保险公司隶属于所谓的“舰队”或公司集团,在这些集团中你会发现一些非常令人惊讶的现象。一些公司往往相当盈利,而同一集团中的其他公司却倾向于亏损。当你像我曾在某个案例中那样要求解释时,你可能会对得到的解释感到有些惊讶。总是让我感到惊讶的是,保险业人士从来不从股东的角度来谈问题。他们总是从业务本身的角度来谈问题。你可以找到很多商业上的理由,说明为什么 A 公司应该盈利而 B 公司应该亏损——但没有一个理由能让 B 公司的股东在这种情况下感到满意。
MR. GRAHAMThat might be the reason. That is another interesting question that arises
in the treatment of stockholders’ interest by insurance company managements. Many of the insurance companies are part of so-called “fleets” or groups of companies, and you find some very surprising things in those fleets. Some of the companies tend to be quite profitable, and others in the same group tend to be unprofitable. When you ask for an explanation, as I have done in one case, you may be a bit surprised at the kind of explanation you get. The thing that surprises me always is that the insurance people never talk in terms of what happens to the stockholder. They always talk in terms of what happens to the business as such. You can find many business reasons why Company A should be profitable and Company B should be unprofitable -- but no reason that will satisfy the stockholder of Company B, in that case.
第八讲,证券分析中的当前问题,本杰明·格雷厄姆
Lecture Number Eight, Current Problems in Security Analysis Benjamin Graham