2020 年股东大会 · 上半场
“不像股东大会”
"Doesn't feel like an annual meeting"
沃伦·巴菲特嗯,现在是奥马哈时间下午 3 点 45 分,这是伯克希尔·哈撒韦的股东大会。它看起来不像股东大会,感觉也不太像股东大会。尤其不像,是因为我 60 年的搭档查理·芒格没坐在这里。我觉得来参加我们大会的多数人,其实是来听查理讲话的。但我可以向大家保证,96 岁的查理身体很好,头脑和以前一样敏锐,声音和以前一样洪亮,只是让他跑一趟奥马哈来开这个会,似乎不太合适。查理——查理真的很适应这种新生活。他把 Zoom 加进了自己的技能库。他每天跟不同的人开会。在技术上他已经把我甩在后头了,不过这其实算不上什么了不起的成就,更像是,你知道,从一颗花生上跨过去那种程度。但不管怎样,我向你们保证,查理身体很好。他明年会回来。我们——我们会尽量把明年通常该有的节目都安排上。负责保险业务的副董事长阿吉特·贾恩也安全待在纽约。同样,让他为这个会跑到奥马哈来也不太值得。不过,我左边坐着格雷格·阿贝尔。格雷格是负责除保险外所有运营业务的副董事长。格雷格管理着一家营收超过 1500 亿美元、横跨几十个行业、拥有超过 30 万名员工的企业。他干这份工作已经好几年了。坦白说,如果没有阿吉特和格雷格接手我几年前做得只有他们四分之一好的那些工作,我真不知道今天该怎么办。所以,我非常感谢格雷格,随着会议推进,你们会更多地听到他发言。
WARREN BUFFETTWell, it's 3:45 in Omaha and this is the annual meeting of Berkshire Hathaway. It doesn't look like an annual meeting. It doesn't feel exactly like an annual meeting. It particularly doesn't feel like an annual meeting because my partner of 60 years, Charlie Munger, is not sitting up here. And I think most of the people that come to our meeting really come to listen to Charlie. But I want to assure you, Charlie at 96 is in fine shape. His mind is as good as ever, his voice is as strong as ever, but it just didn't seem like a good idea to have him make the trip to Omaha for this meeting. Charlie — Charlie is really taking to this new life. He's added Zoom to his repertoire. So, he has meetings every day with various people. And he's just skipped right by me technologically, but that really isn't such a huge achievement. It's more like, you know, kind of like stepping over a peanut or something. But nevertheless, I want to assure you, Charlie is in fine shape. And he'll be back next year. And we'll — we'll try to have everything in the show that we normally have next year. Ajit Jain, also, who is the vice chairman in charge of insurance, is safely in New York. And again, it just did not seem worthwhile for him to travel to Omaha for this meeting. But on my left, we do have Greg Abel. And Greg is the vice chairman in charge of all operations, except insurance. Greg manages a business that has more than 150 billion in revenues and crosses across dozens of industries, and has more than 300,000 employees. And he's been at that job a couple of years. And frankly, I don't know what I'd be doing today if I didn't have Ajit and Greg handling the duties that I was doing only about a quarter as well, a couple of years ago. So, I owe a whole lot of thanks to Greg and you'll get exposed to him more as this meeting goes along.
会议将分四部分
Meeting will be in four parts
沃伦·巴菲特会议将分为四个部分。过一会儿,我会做一个带幻灯片的独白。我以前从没用过幻灯片。我从 21 岁到 88 岁,断断续续但相当稳定地一直在大学里教书。我不记得用过一张幻灯片。你知道,谁说老狗学不了新把戏。(笑)我们看看能不能学成。我准备了不少幻灯片,在第一部分里,我会带大家过一遍,这部分马上开始。然后,我们会简短回顾一下伯克希尔第一季度的业绩。这些数据今早发布在了 berkshirehathaway.com 的 10-Q 报表里,里面有非常非常多的细节。所以我不打算逐条细讲,我只会提一两个你们可能感兴趣的点。实际上,我还会稍微谈谈我们在四月份做的事,对伯克希尔来说,能透露这么近期的做法是头一回。但我会告诉你们。接着,我们会举行正式会议,大概需要 15 到 20 分钟。之后,轮到贝基·奎克,她会用几个小时,拿她从我听说收到的一大堆问题里选出来的那些,来拷问我和格雷格。这些问题也发给了卡罗尔·卢米斯和安德鲁·罗斯·索金。不过为简化起见,我们把贝基要问的所有问题都合并了。就像我说的,我们会进行几个小时。目前没有设定具体的截止时间,我们就看情况发展。
WARREN BUFFETTThe meeting will be divided into four parts. And in a moment or two, I will talk — sort of a monologue with slides. I've never really used slides before. I've taught college classes intermittently, but pretty steadily, from age 21 to age 88. And I never recalled using a single slide. You know, who says can't teach an old dog a new trick. So — (Laughs) We'll see whether you can or not. And I've got a number of slides and I would like to take you through those in the first section, which will start in just a minute. And then we'll move on to the — a brief recap of Berkshire's first quarter results. Now, we put those up in the 10-Q, which was posted on the internet, on berkshirehathaway.com, this morning. And there's lots and lots of detail in there. So, I'm not going to go through. I'll just have a point on one or two things that may be of interest to you. And actually, I'll talk a little bit about what we did in April, which is something that is new to Berkshire, to be that current. But — I'll give you that. Then we'll have the — the formal meeting, which will take maybe 15 or 20 minutes. And from there we'll go to Becky Quick, who, for a couple of hours, will grill me and Greg on questions she's selected from a huge batch that I'm told she's received that went to Carol Loomis and Andrew Ross Sorkin, as well as to Becky. But to simplify things, we consolidated all those questions that Becky will ask. And like I say, we'll go for a couple of hours. And there's no specified cut-off time at present. We'll just see how things develop.
COVID-19 健康不确定性
COVID-19 health uncertainty
沃伦·巴菲特当然,过去两个月左右,每个人心里想的是,美国的健康状况会怎样,以及未来几个月、甚至几年内,美国的经济形势会怎样。在健康方面,我没什么能补充你们的知识。我在学校会计学得还行,但生物学得一塌糊涂。我和你们一样,也在学习这些不同的事情。我个人觉得,能听安东尼·福奇博士讲话,感觉特别好。一年前我还不知道他。但我认为,作为国家,我们非常非常幸运,有一位 79 岁的人,看起来能一天 24 小时工作,还保持幽默感,用非常非常直白的方式讲述相当复杂的主题,并且能告诉你他知道什么,不知道什么。所以,我下午完全不打算谈任何政治人物或政治话题,但我确实觉得,我亏欠福奇博士一份巨大的感激之情,是他——实际上还有我的朋友比尔·盖茨——让我了解和知晓了正在发生的事情。我知道,我从他们任何一个人那里得到的信息,都是直达的。所以,谢谢你,福奇博士。当疫情袭击我们时——我坐在这间有 1.7 万或 1.8 万个空座位的礼堂里——上次我在这里时,这里座无虚席。克雷顿大学对阵维拉诺瓦大学。当时有 1.7 万或 1.8 万人,不管能坐多少,反正满了。那个场子里没有一个人——那是 1 月份——没有一个人觉得疯狂三月不会如期举行。在国家行为、国民心理方面,事情就像扳动开关一样发生了巨大变化。非常戏剧化。当我们踏上这段并非我们选择的旅程时,在我看来,在健康和经济两个方面,都存在极其广泛的各种可能性。我是说,就好像一边是 5 级战备状态,另一边是 1 级战备状态。当然,没人真正知道所有可能的结果,也不知道该给它们赋予多大的概率。但在这种特殊情况下,在我看来,健康方面可能发生的事情范围极其广泛,经济方面的范围也极其广泛。当然,它们相互交叉、相互影响。所以它们一直在互相作用。我还是要说,在健康问题上,我不知道任何你们不知道的事。但我确实认为,在这方面,可能性的范围有所收窄。我们知道我们不是在最好的情况,也知道不是最坏的情况。最初,病毒的可能性很难评估,现在仍然很难评估。我们了解了很多,也知道了有些东西我们还不了解。但至少我们知道了自己不知道什么。一些非常聪明的人正在研究它,我们也在探索中学习。但病毒显然传染性很强——从好的一面看——也不算太好——但它没有可能达到的那么致命。1918 年有过一次西班牙流感。我父亲、他的四个兄弟姐妹和我的祖父母都经历过。在 3 月 15 日的《奥马哈世界先驱报》上,有一篇很棒的文章,你们可以上 omaha.com 查。我相信,在谷歌搜“Spanish flu Omaha”,也会出现在第一页。在那段时间里,大概四个月左右,奥马哈有 974 人死亡。那是人口的 0.5%。这个数字在全国各地差别不大。所以如果你想想现在人口的 0.5%,那大概是 170 万人左右。不幸的是,在最坏的情况下,看起来它并没有像西班牙流感那样致命——我认为你几乎可以排除那种可能性——但它传染性非常非常强。当然,我们还有一个问题,不知道分母,不知道确切有多少人感染,因为我们不知道有多少人感染了却没意识到。但不管怎样,健康方面的概率范围确实有所收窄。
WARREN BUFFETTNow what's, of course, on everybody's mind the last two months or so, is, you know, what — what's going to be the situation in terms of health in the United States and what's going to be the situation in terms of the economy in the United States in the months, and perhaps, the years to come. And I don't really have anything to add to your knowledge on health. I — in school I did okay in accounting, but I was a disaster in biology. I — I'm learning about these various matters the same way you are. And I think, personally, I feel extraordinarily good about being able to listen to Dr. (Anthony) Fauci, who I'd never heard of a year ago. But I think we're very, very fortunate as a country to have somebody at 79 years of age who appears to be able to work 24 hours a day, and keep a good humor about him, and communicate in a very, very straightforward manner about fairly complex subjects and tell you when he knows something and when he doesn't know something. So, I — I'm not going to talk about any political figures at all or politics generally this afternoon, but I do feel that I owe a huge debt of gratitude to Dr. Fauci for educating and informing me — actually along with my friend Bill Gates — as to what's going on. And I know I get — I get it from a straight shooter when I get that from either one of those. So, thank you, Dr. Fauci. The — when this hit us — and as I sit here in this auditorium with 17 or 18-thousand empty seats — the last time I was here, it was absolutely packed. Creighton was playing Villanova. And there were 17- or 18-thousand, whatever it holds, it was full. And there wasn't one person in that crowd — this was in January — there wasn't one person in that crowd that didn't think that March Madness wasn't going to occur. It's been a flip of a switch in a huge way, in terms of national behavior, the national psyche. It's dramatic. And when we started on this journey, which we didn't ask for, it seemed to me that it was an extraordinary wide variety of possibilities on both the health side and on the economic side. I mean, it was — in other words — DEFCON 5 on one side and DEFCON 1 on the other side. And nobody really knows, of course, all the possibilities that there are, and they don't know what probability factor to stick on them. But in this particular situation, it did seem to me that there was an extraordinary range of things that could happen on the health side. And there was an extraordinary range in terms of the economy. And of course, they intersect and affect each other. So, they're bouncing off each other as you go along. And I would say again, I don't — I don't know anything you don't know about health matters. But I do think the range of possibilities has narrowed down, somewhat, in that respect. We know we're not getting a best case and we know we're not getting the worst case. The — the possibility, initially, of the virus was hard to evaluate and it's still hard to evaluate. There's a lot of things we've learned about it, and other things we know we don't know. But at least we know what we don't know. And some very smart people are working on it and we're learning as we go along. But the virus, obviously, has been very transmissible and it's — but on the good side — it's not — not that good — but it is not as lethal as it might have been. We had a — we had a Spanish flu in 1918. And my dad and four siblings and his parents went through it. And they had a terrific story in the March 15th edition of the Omaha World-Herald, that you can go to omaha.com and look up. It's also on the first page, I believe, of Google if you put in "Spanish flu Omaha." And during that particular time, in maybe four months or so, Omaha had 974, I believe, deaths. And that was a half of one percent of the population. And that figure wasn't greatly different around the country. So, if you think about half of 1 percent of the population now, you're talking a million-7, or thereabouts, people who, unfortunately, in terms of the worst case, which does not appear to have impacted — I think you can almost rule it out it's being as lethal as the Spanish flu was — but it's very, very transmissible. And of course, we have the problem we don't know the denominator, in terms of exactly how many (inaudible) it is because we don't know how many people have had it and didn’t know they had it. But in any event, the range of probabilities on health have narrowed down somewhat.
COVID-19 经济不确定性
COVID-19 economic uncertainty
沃伦·巴菲特我想说,经济方面的概率——或者说可能性——范围仍然极其广泛。我们并不确切知道,当你自愿让社会相当大一部分停摆时,会发生什么。在 2008 年和 2009 年,我们的经济火车脱轨了。有些原因导致路基不牢,比如银行之类的事情。但这一次,我们直接把火车从轨道上拉下来,放在了一条侧线上。我真的不知道有什么先例——在一个非常非常——嗯,世界上最重要的国家——生产力最高的国家——人口庞大的国家——实际上让它经济和劳动力停摆。显然,这不可避免地制造了大量焦虑,改变了人们的心理,让很多人某种程度上迷失了方向——在很多情况下,这可以理解。这真是一次巨大的实验。我们可能很快就能知道大多数问题的答案,但一些非常重要的问题,我们可能多年都不会知道答案。所以,可能性范围仍然极其巨大。
WARREN BUFFETTI would say the range of probabilities — or possibilities — on the economic side are still extraordinarily wide. We do not know exactly what happens when you voluntarily shut down a substantial portion of your society. In 2008 and '09, our economic train went off the tracks. And there were some reasons why the roadbed was weak, in terms of the banks and all of that sort of thing, but — This time we just pulled the train off the tracks and put it on a siding. And I don't really know of any parallel of a — in terms of a very, very — well, the most important country in the world — the most productive — huge population — in effect, sidelining its economy and its workforce. And obviously, and unavoidably, creating a huge amount of anxiety and changing people's psyche, and causing them to somewhat lose their bearings — in many cases understandably. This is quite an experiment. And we may know the answer to most of the questions reasonably soon, but we may not know the answers to some very important questions for many years. So, it still has this enormous range of possibilities.
“没有什么能从根本上阻止美国”
"Nothing can basically stop America"
沃伦·巴菲特但即便如此,我还是想和各位谈谈国家的经济前景。因为我始终坚信,就像我在二战时就深信不疑、在古巴导弹危机时也深信不疑、在 9/11 事件和金融危机时同样深信不疑的那样——没有什么能从根本上阻挡美国。我们过去面对过巨大的困难。我们还没有遇到过眼下这种问题。实际上,我们之前确实没有碰到过和眼下特别类似的情况。但我们面对过更棘手的问题,而美国奇迹——美国魔力——总能胜出,这次也还会如此。
WARREN BUFFETTBut even facing that, I would like to talk to you about the economic future of the country. Because I remain convinced, as I have — I was convinced of this in World War II, I was convinced of it during the Cuban Missile Crisis, 9/11, the financial crisis — that nothing can basically stop America. We faced great problems in the past. We haven't faced this exact problem. In fact, we haven't really faced anything that quite resembles this problem. But we faced tougher problems and the American miracle — the American magic — has always prevailed and it will do so again.
美国是一个“极其年轻的国家”
America is an "extraordinarily young country"
沃伦·巴菲特我想带各位回顾一点历史,用来说明我的观点:如果你可以选择出生时间和地点,但你不知道自己会是男是女,不知道自己智商高低,不知道自己有什么天赋或缺陷——如果你只能选一次,你不会选 1720 年,不会选 1820 年,也不会选 1920 年,你会选今天。而且你会选美国。当然,有意思的是,自从 1789 年乔治·华盛顿宣誓就职、美国建国以来,人们就一直想来这里。你能想象吗?231 年来,总有人想来到这里。现在——我朋友大概手快了一点——我放第一张幻灯片——但我一会儿要叫几张幻灯片出来。这个国家有意思的地方就在第一张幻灯片上。放出来。这是一个极其年轻的国家。我是拿它和两个年纪很大的人相比。但你想一想,我的年龄、查理的年龄、或者我们的人生经历——再加上旁边这个年轻人格雷格·阿贝尔——如果我们三个人的人生加在一起,超过了美国的建国历史,那我们的确是一个非常、非常年轻的国家。但我们所取得的成就是奇迹般的。想一想历史长河里的这一点点。再看第二张幻灯片,我试着估算——好吧,我们倒回去。还是看第二张幻灯片,1790 年的人口,我们有 390 万人。顺便说一下,查人口普查数据时你会发现——1921 年商务部大楼发生了一场大火,烧掉了许多普查记录。所以这些数字不是特别精确——有些地方有缺口——但美国确实有 390 万人。实际上——我写了 60 万——更接近 70 万——当时有 70 万是奴隶。但这 390 万人只占全球人口的千分之五。如果你问那 390 万人中的任何一个人——随便谁——让他们想象 231 年后的生活会是什么样,就算是最乐观的人——就算他们喝得酩酊大醉还抽了点大麻——他们做梦也想不到,在三代人的时间里——查理、我和格雷格——在那段时间,你会看到一个国家有 2.8 亿辆汽车在路上穿梭,飞机——也许现在不太多但会回来的——载着人在 4 万英尺高空飞行,横跨东西海岸只需五个小时,一个接一个的州有伟大的大学、完善的医疗体系,娱乐方式以 1790 年没人能想到的方式送到人们面前。这个国家,在 231 年里,超越了所有人的梦想。
WARREN BUFFETTAnd I would — I would like to take you through a little history to essentially make my case that if you were to pick one time to be born and one place to be born, and you didn't know what your sex was going to be, you didn't know what your intelligence would be, you didn't know what your special talents or special deficiencies would be, that — if you do that one time, you would not pick 1720, you would not pick 1820, you would not pick 1920, you'd pick to — you'd pick today. And you would pick America. And of course, the interesting thing about it is that ever since America was organized in 1789 when George Washington took the oath of office, people have wanted to come here. Can you imagine that? For 231 years, there's always been people that have wanted to come here. Now — my friend, I think, has jumped the gun just a shade — I'm putting up slide one — but I'm going to call for some slides as we go along. But the interesting thing about this country is what is on slide one. Let's put it up. This is an extraordinarily young country. Now I'm comparing it to a couple of guys that are pretty old. But when you think about the fact that my age, Charlie's age, or our life experience — and then we'll throw in this young guy over here, Greg Abel — and if our life experiences combined, exceed the life of the United States, we are a very, very young country. But what we've accomplished is miraculous. Now just think of this — this little spot in history. And if we'll go to slide two, I've tried to estimate — Well, let's go back. Stay with slide two, but the population in 1790, you know, we had 3.9 million people here. Incidentally, when you look up census figures, you find out that the — they had a big fire in the Department of Commerce building in 1921, so they lost a lot of the census records. So, these are not quite as — there's some things where there's a few gaps, but there were 3.9 million people in the United States. And actually — I've got point-six million — it's closer to point-seven million — there were 700,000 of those people who were slaves at the time. But those 3.9 million people were one half of 1 percent of the population of the planet. And if you'd asked any of those 3.9 million people — any of them — to imagine what life would be like 231 years later, even the most optimistic person — and they could have been drinking heavily and even had a little pot — and they still could not in their wildest dreams have thought that in three lifetimes — Charlie's, mine, and Greg's — that in that period, you would be looking at a country with 280 million vehicles shuffling around its roads, airplanes — maybe not today so much but they'll be back again — flying people at 40,000 feet, coast to coast in five hours, that great universities would exist in one state after another, great hospital systems, and entertainment would be delivered to people in a way nobody could have dreamt of in 1790. This — this country, in 231 years, has exceeded anybody's dreams.
美国的财富增长了 5000 比 1
America's wealth has grown 5000-for-1
沃伦·巴菲特我上网为这次会议做准备时,我试着——请放到下一张幻灯片——我想查查这个国家在 1790 年——1789 年——也就是起点时的财富。我输入了“美国 财富”。我试了 1789 年,试了 1790 年。我想挑个整数年份可能容易点,结果出来了大概 400 万条相关结果。我没都看。但可以告诉你,早期很多领域的数据收集并不——即使今天也不是——你其实找不到——你找不到我认为可靠的数字。你也许能找到全国有多少头骡子之类的东西,然后试着加起来。但房地产这类东西呢,你知道,房子、公寓楼、办公楼,每栋都和其他略有不同。但人们看可比销售,所以很难找到很多国家被整体估算过财富并出售的例子。不过回顾一下挺有意思:1803 年,我们花了 1500 万美元——我们做了路易斯安那购地。那比 1789 年稍晚一点——但那是——按房地产的说法,那是最好的比较标的——反正是我们能找到的最大一块土地的交易——我们买下的时候——顺便说,那块土地面积超过 80 万平方英里——大约相当于现在美国本土 48 州的四分之一。也就是说,1803 年我们用那 1500 万美元买下了本土 48 州大约四分之一的土地。如果你住在得克萨斯,你爷爷快不行了,他把孙辈、孩子们叫到床边,临终遗言总是说:“别卖掉矿权。”哎,法国人当时把那 1500 万美元交易里的矿权也一并卖给了我们。所以——我们得到了那一整片——我们得到了整个堪萨斯,基本上整个俄克拉荷马。从那以后,它们为我们生产了 210 亿桶石油和大量天然气。有个小插曲:我们付那 1500 万美元的路易斯安那购地款时——其中 300 万——20%——我们用 20 万盎司黄金付的,每盎司作价 15 美元。那给法国人的 300 万美元——南达科他州是路易斯安那购地的一部分——那边的霍姆斯塔克金矿,在关闭前,产出了超过 4000 万盎司黄金。4000 万盎司黄金大概值 600 亿美元。我刚才说,那 20 万盎司黄金就付了我们 20% 的购地款。所以,路易斯安那购地很划算,不过我想,那是当时 80 万平方英里的市场价——每英亩 3 美分。于是,我用这些数据推算了一下,觉得 1789 年时这个国家的财富,估个 10 亿美元不算离谱。要是我在学术圈,可能会写个 11.074 亿美元之类——弄得挺像那么回事——但其实是个瞎猜。不过并不疯狂。那么,后来发生了什么——请看下一张幻灯片——自那以后这个国家的财富变化?这方面有定期公布的数据——的确定期公布——美联储估算美国居民的家庭净资产——所有美国家庭的。你可以去查,会看到——股票有 30 万亿美元左右。我猜独栋住宅——大概有 8200 万套左右的自住独栋屋,另有大概 4500 万套出租公寓等等。把这些加总起来。美联储告诉我们——我建议你去看看数据——挺有意思——现在美国,231 年后,我们有 100 万亿美元——超过 100 万亿美元——的家庭财富,即便股市自上个季度报告以来有所下跌。那么有人会说,嗯,我们经历了很多通胀之类的。实际上,在美国建国的大约前半段,我们并没有太严重的通胀。经历过通胀期和通缩期,但总体价格水平变化没那么大。不过为了计算,我再次假设——通胀了 20 倍——很多商品远低于这个倍数——衡量不同产品带来的等价收益或成本很难——但我觉得可以合理地说,美国实际财富增长了大约 5000 比 1。这确实——令人震惊——5000 比 1——实际增长——而这一切发生在一个当初只有全球千分之五人口、一片蛮荒之地——却怀有愿景——231 年就实现了。无法否认——这超出了任何早期人们的梦想。
WARREN BUFFETTI went to the internet in trying to prepare for this, and I tried — if you'll move to the next slide — I tried to find out what was the wealth of the country in 1790 — 1789 — our starting point. And I punched in "United States wealth." I tried 1789. I tried 1790. I thought it might be a little easier in terms of a round year, and I think 4 million or so references came up. And I didn't look at all 4 million. But I can tell you the data collection in those early days on many, many fronts was not — and even not today — you really can't — you can't find what I would consider reliable figures. You can find out how many mules there were in the country, and a few things like that and add — try to add them up. But in real estate, you know, when you find — when you're looking at houses or apartment houses or office buildings, that, you know, they're each slightly different than each other. But they look to comparable sales, so it's hard to find a lot of countries that have been sold where the wealth has been estimated. But it was interesting to go back and think about the fact that in 1803, we purchased for $15 million — we made the Louisiana Purchase. Now that's a little later than 1789, but — but that's the — that's the best comp, as they say in real estate — that's the best copy we could find for land mass anyway, and — When we purchased — made that purchase — that was equal, incidentally, to about a quarter —800,000-plus square miles — but it was about a quarter of what the lower 48 states now contain. So, we bought about a quarter of the lower 48 for those $15 million back in 1803. And if you live in Texas, and your grandfather is close to dying, and he calls — he calls the grandchildren, children around him, and in his final words, he always says, "Don't sell the mineral rights." Well, the French sold us the mineral rights on that $15 million deal as well. So, we — we got that whole strip there — we got all of Kansas, and essentially all of Oklahoma. They've produced 21 billion barrels of oil for us and a lot of natural gas since the purchase. One of the sidelights is that we paid our 15 million for the Louisiana Purchase — we paid 3 million of it —20 percent of it — we paid with a — with 200,000 ounces of gold, valued at 15 bucks an ounce. And that 3 million to the French took — and we got South Dakota as part of the Louisiana Purchase, and the Homestake mine up there, before it closed, produced, well over 40 million ounces of gold. And 40 million ounces of gold comes to about $60 billion worth. And like I say we 20 — 200,000 ounces took care of 20 — 20 percent of our purchase price. So, the Louisiana Purchase was a bargain, but it's what the going price was for 800,000 square miles, I guess, at the time and — three cents an acre. And so, I decided, by playing around with various numbers such as that, that it as a — as a reasonable estimate of the worth of the country, in 1789, a billion was not a crazy figure. Now if I'd been an academician or something, I would have put $1,107,400,000 or something like that — or it's a —I would have made it look respectable — but it's a wild guess. But it's not — it's not a crazy figure. So, what has happened — let's move on to the next slide — to the wealth of that country since then? And here we have some figures that come out pretty regularly — well, they do come out regularly — where the Federal Reserve estimates the net household worth of people in the United States — all the households in the United States. And you can look these up and you'll — you'll see that, you know, there's 30 trillion of stocks. And I think maybe single-family homes — what are there — there's 82 million or so owner-occupied single families and maybe 45 million rental apartments and so on. So, you start adding all these up. And the Federal Reserve tells us — and I invite you to look at the — the data — it's kind of interesting — that we now in the United States, 231 years later, we have 100 trillion— we have more than 100 trillion — of household wealth, even though the stock market's gone down somewhat since the last quarterly report. So, you say, well, you know, we've had a lot of inflation, everything. We actually, in the United States, for the first half of our existence roughly, we didn't really have that much inflation. We had inflationary periods and deflationary periods, but the general price level did not change that dramatically. But I will assume again for this calculation that — that there's been 20-for-1 inflation that's — it's way less than that in many commodities, but — and it's very hard to measure and to talk about equivalent benefits from different kinds of products and so on — and cost — but I think it's reasonable to say that the United States, in real terms, has increased in wealth at something in the area of 5000-for-1. Which is really — its mind blowing — 5000-for-1 — in real terms — in a country that had a half a percent of the — and a bunch of raw land — but a vision that — to accomplish that in 231 years. There's just no denying that — that's beyond what anybody could have dreamt earlier.
美国发展路上的坎坷:内战
America's bumps in the road: The Civil War
沃伦·巴菲特但这并非一帆风顺——这一点很重要——我们并非没有遇到过非常、非常严重的坎坷。这不是 231 年的稳步前进。事实上,在这个国家诞生之初——我们经历了,怎么说呢,72 年——如果我们看下一张幻灯片——在 1861 年,我们国家大约有 3100 万人——1960(应为 1860)年的人口普查显示大约有 3100 万人——其中 400 万是奴隶,1789 年妥协方案中遗留的许多未竟事业从未真正得到解决,我们稍后会多谈这点。但我们经历了一些不多国家经历过的事——如果你在 1789 年告诉人们,在 72 年后,你们将出现分裂,导致美国总统在葛底斯堡说“要考验这个国家,或任何一个如此孕育并献身的国家,能否长久存续。”想象一下,美国总统公开怀疑他领导的国家能否长久存续,而这只过了 72 年——或者到葛底斯堡时是 74 年——就发生了。所以,当这个美妙的梦想正在展开,大约进行到三分之一的时候,我们面临了这个真正决定性的时刻。我们卷入了一场较量——如果我们看下一张幻灯片——我估算过——那场战争几乎杀死了全国 18 到 60 岁男性中大约 6% 的人——我假设战争中死亡人数超过 60 万。我认为一个合理的估计是,18 到 60 岁的男性群体占了其中的绝大多数。所以,想象一下,一个国家里 6% 处于壮年的劳动人口在四年内被消灭。当我们回顾这个国家的进步,并思考我们自己的问题时——现在我只请各位想一想——我们看下一张幻灯片——这相当于今天有 40 亿同年龄段的男性被同样地消灭。所以,那是一次令人难以置信的中断,然而这个国家挺了过来,同时创造了美国梦,这是世界奇迹之一,在很多意义上可能是世界奇迹。
WARREN BUFFETTBut it was not done — and this is important — because we've now hit a bump in the road — it was not done without some very, very serious bumps in the road. It was not 231 years of steady progress. And matter of fact, we had been in the — in this birth of this country — we had been, what, into it 72 years — and if we go to the next slide — In 1861, we now had about 31 million people — the 1960 [1860] census showed around 31 million people or thereabouts — in the country, and 4 million of them were slaves and we had never really resolved the very much unfinished business of what was involved in compromises in 1789, and we'll have more to say about that later. But we had something that not too many countries experienced — and if you'd told people in 1789, that in 17 — in 72 years, you were going to have a division that caused the president of the United States, at Gettysburg, to say that "testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and dedicated can long endure." Imagine the president of the United States wondering aloud whether the country that he was presiding over could long endure only 72 years — or 74 years at Gettysburg — had taken place. So, while this marvelous dream was being played out, roughly a third of the way through it, we face this — this really moment of decision. And we entered into a contest that — if we'll go to the next slide — I made an estimate — that literally killed roughly 6 percent of the males in the country who were between 18 and 60 —I'm assuming that there were more than 600,000 deaths in the war. I think it's a reasonable estimate that — that — that 18 to 60 group of males were, by far, the great proportion. So, imagine 6 percent of your working prime-age males in a country are wiped out in four years. So, when we look at the progress of this country, and we think of our own problems — and now I just ask you to ponder — we'll move to the next slide — that would be equivalent today to having 4 billion males in that same age group similarly wiped out. So that was one incredible interruption, which this country nevertheless worked through, while compiling this American dream that is one of the wonders of the world, perhaps the wonder of the world in many senses.
美国发展路上的坎坷:大萧条
America's bumps in the road: The Great Depression
沃伦·巴菲特我们接着看另一个袭击国家的危机,性质不同。这当然是 1929 年的大崩盘,它导致了经济大萧条。这里,我们将用道琼斯平均指数来说明——当时这是每个人都在关注的指数——实际上,如果你看当时的报纸,第二重要的指数是《纽约时报》平均指数,现在已经消失了。当然,标普 500 指数可能是更好的衡量标准,但道琼斯指数完全够用。1929 年 9 月 3 日,道琼斯平均指数收盘于 381.17 点,人们用保证金买股票,高兴得很。这非常美妙。咆哮的二十年代感觉很好,汽车时代来临,航空旅行时代来临,各种新家电出现,电话得到更广泛的使用。信不信由你,在那之前电话其实没怎么普及。但电影开始流行。那是个快乐的地方。然后,当然,如果我们翻到下一张幻灯片,我们会看到 9 月 3 日之后几个月里发生了什么。道琼斯平均指数几乎腰斩。这已经很惊人了,直到我们最近遇到的情况,在更短的时间内,我们损失了大约三分之一。但那次崩盘——约翰·肯尼斯·加尔布雷思写过一本关于它的好书叫《大崩盘》。我在这里插一句小广告。奥马哈有一些小生意——我讨厌这次会议被迫缩减或如此戏剧性地改变对奥马哈许多生意造成的影响,因为我认为小企业是受益者——它们确实从伯克希尔年会中得到了很多生意,将来也会继续得到——但在这样的时期它们会遭受损失,它们刚刚报道了 Bookworm 书店的故事。好吧,如果您想买任何我推荐的书,请考虑直接写上“Bookworm”——“奥马哈的 Bookworm”书店。《大崩盘》是一本很棒的书,约翰·肯尼斯·加尔布雷思描述了它。我想谈一点个人的经历,这会有些关联,不太多,但与大萧条的故事有点关联,因为 1929 年我的父亲,当时 26 岁,在当地一家小银行做证券推销员。他卖股票和债券,但主要卖股票。当股票下跌 48%,而你几个月前刚把这些股票卖给那些人时,你实在不想再出去面对他们。所以,我想我父亲大概选择了,正如现在说的,就地避难,就是待在家里。我们家当时也没什么可做的。我们只有一个小院子,而且那时是冬天。我父亲反正也不会在院子里闲逛。而且真的没有——你知道,那时没有电视。他和母亲相处得很好。所以在那种情况下,如果你翻到下一张幻灯片,大约九个月后我就出生了,所以——但在那时——我实际上出生在 8 月 30 日,但那天股市休市,所以我用前一天的数据——但股市——我当时没注意到市场休市——但在那 9 个半月左右的时间里,股市实际上已经回升了超过 20%。在 1930 年秋天,人们并不认为自己正身处一场大萧条。他们认为这只是一次衰退,类似的情况至少发生过十几次,尽管不总是发生在股市重要的时候。但美国在历史上经历过很多次衰退,这次看起来并没有什么特别反常的地方。但——有一段时间——实际上在我出生后大约十天——(听不清)——股市在那十天里实际上还上涨了 1% 到 2%。但那是最后一天——好吧,从那时起——如果你翻到下一张幻灯片——股市从 240 点跌到了 41 点,这是一个显著的下跌,因为如果有人在我出生那天给我一千美元,我用来买股票,买道琼斯指数,我的那一千美元在不到两年内就会变成 170 美元。这是我们在座任何人都从未经历过的——我们可能偶尔在某只股票上经历过——但就整个美国市场的广泛下跌而言,两年内下跌 83%,从 1929 年 9 月 3 日的峰值下跌 89%,这是非同寻常的。而在那中间,我出生后不到一年——差不多一年——我的父亲去了他工作的银行,那家银行有他的账户。当然,那家银行门口挂了个牌子,“歇业”,所以他没了工作。那时他有两个孩子。他的父亲有一家杂货店——查理和我都为我祖父工作过——查理在 1940 年在那里工作,我在 1941 年也去了,所以我们那时不认识——但我祖父对我父亲说,别担心你的食物,霍华德,他说,我会让你的账单先欠着。(笑)那时——我祖父并不是——他关心他的家人,但他不会为此疯狂。然后——
WARREN BUFFETTLet's move on to the — another crisis of a different sort that hit the country. And this, of course, is the 1929 crash which led to the Great Depression. And here, the Dow Jones average, which we'll use for this — at that time that's the one everybody paid attention to — actually the second most important average at that time, if you look at the papers, was the New York Times average which has disappeared. And of course, the Standard and Poor's has probably, regardless, is a superior yardstick, but the Dow Jones is a perfectly adequate yardstick. And on September 3rd, 1929, the Dow Jones average closed at 381.17, and people were very happy buying stocks on margin. It worked wonderfully. And the roaring '20s had a good feeling to it with the auto coming of age, and the day of air travel coming along, and all kinds of new appliances, and the telephone getting wider use. Believe it or not, that hadn't really caught on that much prior thereto. But the movies were coming on. It was a happy place. And then, of course, if we'll move to the next slide, we'll look at what happened in the couple of months after September 3rd. And the Dow Jones average almost got cut in half. And that was pretty impressive until we had this recent situation where in a shorter period of time, we lost about a third. But the — the — the crash — and there's a great book about it called "The Great Crash" by John Kenneth Galbraith. I may interject one little plug here. There's a small business in Omaha — and I hate what this —what truncating this meeting or changing it so dramatically has done to many of the businesses in Omaha because I think small business is beneficial — were the beneficiaries of — of a really — they got a lot of business with the Berkshire meeting and they're going to get it in the future but — but they suffer during a period like this, and they just had a story about the Bookworm. Well, the Bookworm — if you buy any books that come out of anything I recommend, think about just put in, "Bookworm" — "Bookworm in Omaha." And "The Great Crash" is a wonderful book, and John Kenneth Galbraith describes it. And I would like to get into a bit of a personal note which will have some relevance. Not too much, but some relevance, to the story of the Great Depression, because in 1929 my dad, who was 26 years of age then, was employed as a security salesman by a local, small bank. And he sold stocks and bonds, but he mostly sold stocks. And when stocks fall 48 percent and you were selling them to people a few months ago, you really don't feel like going out and facing those same people. So, I think my dad probably elected to, as they say now, shelter-in-place, which means stay at home. And there really wasn't that much in our house. We just had a small yard. It was wintertime anyway. My dad wouldn't have been puttering around the yard anyway. And there really wasn't — you know, television wasn't there. And he and my mother got along very well. So, under those conditions, if you'll turn to the next slide, I was born about nine months later, so — But at that time — I was actually born on August 30th, but the stock market was closed that day, and so I'm using the previous day's figures — but the — it wasn't — I didn't notice at the time that the market was closed — but the stock market had actually recovered over 20 percent during that 9 1/2 month period or thereabouts. People did not think in the fall of 1930 — they did not think they were in the great — a great depression. They thought it was a recession very much like had occurred at least a dozen times, although not always when stock markets were important. But we'd have many recessions in the — in the United States over the time, and this did not look like it was something dramatically out of the ordinary. But — and for a while — actually for about ten days after my birth — that (inaudible), and the stock market actually managed to go up all of 1 or 2 percent there in those 10 days. But that's the last day — well, from that point — if you'll turn to the next slide — the stock market went from a level of 240 to 41, which was a noticeable decline, because if somebody had given me a thousand dollars on the day I was born and I'd bought stock with it, and bought the Dow average, my thousand dollars would have become $170 in less than two years. And that is something that none of us here have ever experienced that — we may have had it with one stock occasionally — but — but in terms of having a broad range of America marked down 83 percent in two years, and marked down 89 percent of the peak that was September 3rd, 1929, was extraordinary. And in that intervening period less than one year after I was born — the slightly less than one year — my dad went to the bank where he worked and had his account. And of course, the bank had a sign on it, "Closed," and so he had no job. And he had two kids at that point. And his father had a grocery store but — Charlie and I both worked for my grandfather — Charlie worked there in 1940, I worked there in 1941, so we didn't know each other — but — but my grandfather said to my father that don't worry about your groceries, and Howard, he says I'll just let your bill run. (Laughs) That was — my grandfather was not exactly — he was — he cared about his family, but he wasn't going to go crazy. And —
联邦存款保险公司(FDIC):“一件非常、非常、非常好的事情”
FDIC: "A very, very, very good thing"
沃伦·巴菲特回顾那段时期,有一件事是——我觉得经济学家通常不太愿意把它放在那么重要的位置,但——如果我们提前十年就有了联邦存款保险公司(FDIC)——FDIC 成立于 1934 年 1 月 1 日——它是(富兰克林·)罗斯福总统上任后推出的大规模立法的一部分——但如果当时我们就有 FDIC,我相信,大萧条期间人们的遭遇将会截然不同,截然不同。人们将大萧条归咎于斯穆特-霍利关税法(Smoot-Hawley)。我的意思是,有很多种说法——还有 1929 年的保证金规定——所有这些因素共同促成了一场衰退。但是,当超过 4000 家银行倒闭时,那就是 4000 个地方性的悲剧:人们省了又省,把钱存起来,然后某一天,想用钱时,却发现钱已化为乌有。这种情况,你知道,在全美 48 个州都发生了。它发生在你邻居身上,也发生在你亲戚身上。这对人们心理的冲击必然是巨大到难以置信的。所以,在我看来,大萧条催生出的一件非常、非常、非常好的事情,就是 FDIC。如果那一波接一波的银行倒闭潮没有席卷整个美国,没有让那些自以为是储户的人惊慌地跑到银行,只看到一张“歇业”告示,继而发现自己一无所有——那么,我敢肯定,后来的世界会有些不一样。顺便提一个事,FDIC——我想很少有人知道这一点——或者至少是没有充分认识到——FDIC 不花美国纳税人一分钱。我的意思是,它的运营开支,它所赔付的损失,全部来自向银行收取的保费。它本质上是银行间的一家互助保险公司,由联邦政府做后盾,与联邦政府紧密相连。如今它掌管的 1000 亿美元,全都来自银行缴纳的保费,以及保费的投资收益,再减去运营支出和全部赔付。想想这给人们带来了多么不可估量的安心感,而在大萧条来袭时,人们当时完全没有这份保障。
WARREN BUFFETTOne of the things, as I look back on that period is — and I don't think economists, generally, like to give it that much of a point of importance, but — but if we'd had the FDIC 10 years earlier, we'd — the FDIC started on January 1st, 1934 — it was part of the sweeping legislation that took place when (President Franklin) Roosevelt came in — but if we'd had the FDIC, we would have had a much, much different experience, I believe, in the — in the Great Depression. People blame it on smooth — Smoot-Hawley. I mean, they — there's all kinds of things — and the margin requirements in '29 — and all of those things entered into creating a recession. But if you have over 4000 banks fail, that's 4000 local experiences where people save and save and save, put their money away and then someday, they reach for it and it's gone. And that happens, you know, in all 48 states. And it happens to your neighbors and it happens to your relatives. It — it has to have an effect on the psyche that's incredible. So, one very, very, very good thing that came out of the depression, in my view, is the FDIC. And it would have been a somewhat different world, I'm sure, if the bank failures hadn't just rolled across this country and — and with people that thought that they were savers find out that they had nothing when they went there and there was a sign that said "Closed." Incidentally, the FDIC — I think very few people know this — but — or at least they don't appreciate it — but the FDIC does not cost the American taxpayer a dime. I mean, its expenses have been paid, its losses have been paid, all through assessments on banks. It's been a mutual insurance company of the banks, backed by the federal government, and associated with the federal government. But now it holds a hundred billion dollars and that consists of premiums that were paid in, and investment income on the premiums, less the expenses and paying of all the losses. And think of the incredible amount of peace of mind that's given to people that were not similarly situated in — when the Great Depression hit.
大萧条对股价的长期影响
Depression's long-term effect on stock prices
沃伦·巴菲特于是,大萧条持续了下去。它持续了很长时间,但它在人们心中持续的时间,比它实际影响持续的时间要长得多。二战爆发了。在某种意义上,我们以一种非自愿的方式采纳了凯恩斯主义,开始推行财政赤字——当然,赤字规模极其庞大,把我们的债务占 GDP 的比例推到了一个前所未有的水平——以前从未达到过——此后也再没达到过。于是,我们经历了一场规模巨大的经济复苏。但人们的心灵已伤痕累累——那些记忆。父母们讲给孩子们听。“1929 年”成了人们心中的一个符号。我的意思是,你说“1929 年”,就像说“1776 年”或“1492 年”一样。我是说,人人都确切地知道你在说什么。这以一种相当显著的方式影响了股票价格——以至于——如果你切到下一张幻灯片——那是 1951 年 1 月 4 日——那个在 1930 年 8 月 30 日出生的孩子已经大学毕业了——股票市场才刚回到它在更早那个时点的水平。所以,拿从 1920 年——1930 年——或者 1929 年(听不清)——到 1951 年这段时间来说——或者拿从我出生那年起算的 20 年来说——请记住,你知道,这段时期开始时,这个国家才成立 140 年。在这段我们国家不可思议的 231 年生命历程中,有整整 20 年——你知道——是在很长一段时间里——没有经济增长,人们从国家财富的角度,从美国经济价值的角度,也毫无感觉,但所有这些公司的经营状况,都远比它们(听不清)要好得多、好得多、好得多。但市场花了那么长的时间,才把价格水平恢复到 20 年前我出生时的水平。所以,请想想这个事实:我们正在经历几个月的困难,而且还会再经历好几个月,但是——我们不知道结局如何——而 30 年代的人们也不知道结局会怎样——但他们忍耐了,坚持住了,繁荣起来了,美国奇迹延续了下去。但有意思的是——实际上我下一张幻灯片没准备,因为昨晚,在所有幻灯片都准备好之后,我才想到这个——确实想得有点晚,想起来一点——我记得在 19——1954 年初,股市——道指只在 280 点左右。我记得 1954 年,因为那是我这辈子在股市里最好的一年。道指从年初的,差不多,呃——280 点左右,涨到了年底的略高于 400 点。当它涨到 400 点时,一突破 381 点,那个 1929 年的著名点位,涨到 400 点时——你们中有些人可能很难相信——但人人都在嘀咕,这会不会是 1929 年重演?这现在听起来有些牵强,因为 1954 年的美国已截然不同。但那却是当时普遍的疑问。而且它实际引起的——你知道——它引起了这样一种程度的担忧,担心我们是不是又要跌下另一道悬崖,仅仅因为 1929 年的 381 点被超越——被超过了——以至于他们召开了——参议员富布莱特——阿肯色州的比尔·富布莱特,后来在外交关系委员会非常出名——但他当时领导着参议院银行委员会,他召集了一次特别——一次特别调查,他管它叫——他叫它什么来着?——股市研究,但如果你通读下来——他其实是在质疑,我们是不是又搭建了一座纸牌屋。而在这个委员会中——看看参议院财政委员会挺有意思——其中一名成员是普雷斯科特·布什,乔治·H·W·布什的父亲,乔治·W·布什的祖父——还有一些显赫的名字。他的委员会,在 1955 年 3 月,道指 405 点时,召集了全美 20 位最杰出的头脑,前来作证,讨论我们是不是又在发疯,就因为市场到了 400 点——道指到了 400 点,而我们之前曾因此陷入过那种难以置信的麻烦。但那就是当时的国民心态。(听不清)不可思议。我们并不真的相信美国就是它原本的样子。而我的老板——我之所以熟悉我手上这本上千页的书——我昨晚在图书馆找到的——我以前从未——是因为我当时在纽约工作,是为被叫去富布莱特参议员面前作证的那 20 人之一工作。他作证的次序,恰好排在时任美联储主席比尔·马丁之前,以及时任西尔斯百货总裁的(罗伯特·)伍德将军之后。西尔斯当时极为重要。而比尔·马丁,当然,那位——美联储历史上任期最长的主席,就是他讲过那句名言,说美联储的职责就是在派对刚开始热闹时就端走酒杯。但是,本·格雷厄姆,我的老板,派我去纽约的公共图书馆——为他收集一些资料——现在用电脑五分钟就能搞定的事——我挖出了一些东西,然后他去作证了——在这本书的第 545 页——我知道该上哪儿找,不必把整本翻一遍——里面有那句引文,我记得。我记得它,是因为本·格雷厄姆是我一生中遇到过的最聪明的三个人之一,而且他是证券界的一代宗师。他在 1934 年写了经典著作《证券分析》。他在 1949 年写了那本改变我一生的书,《聪明的投资者》。他聪明得不可思议。当他去作证时,道指 404 点,他在书面证词的靠前部分,写了这么一句,他说:“股票市场高了——看起来很 高——它确实 高了,但它不像看起来那么高。” 但他还是说,市场高了。
WARREN BUFFETTSo, the Great Depression went on. And it lasted a very long time, but it lasted a lot longer in the minds of people than it did actually in its effects. World War II came along. And on sort of an involuntary manner, we adopted Keynesianism, we started running fiscal deficits, of course, that were absolutely huge and took our debt up to a percentage of GDP which we'd never reached — had never reached before — and have never reached since. So, we had an enormous economic recovery. But the minds of people had been so scarred — the memories. Parents told their children. Nineteen-twenty-nine became a symbol in people's minds. I mean, if you said 1929, it was like saying 1776 or 1492. I mean, everybody knew exactly what you were talking about. And it affected stock prices in a rather remarkable way to the point — if you'll change to the next slide — it was January 4th of 1951 — that the kid who was born on August 30th in 1930 had finished college — before the stock market got back to where it was at that earlier time. So, take the years from 1920 — 1930 — or 1929 (inaudible) — to 1951 — or take the year from my birth — 20 years — and bear in mind that, you know, the country was only 140 years old when this started at. That's 20 years out of this amazing 231-year lifetime of our country that was flat out, you know, a time of — for a long time — of no economic growth and no feeling by people, in terms about the wealth of the country, about what American economy was worth, but all these corporations that were doing far, far, far better than they were (inaudible). But it took all of that time to restore in the market a price level that was equal to what it was when I was born 20 years earlier. So, if you think about the fact that we're enduring a few months, and we'll endure some many more months, but — and we don't know how it comes out — and people in the '30s didn't know how it was going to come out — but they endured, persevered, prospered, and the American miracle continued. But it's interesting in that — I actually don't have a slide for the next one because last night, I was thinking after all the slides have been prepared, I was actually thinking about this a little late, a little bit, and I remembered that in 19 — at the start of 1954, the stock market was — the Dow was only at about 280. And I remember 1954 because it was the best year I've ever had in the stock market. And the Dow went from, essentially, what — 2 — 280 or thereabouts at the start of the year to a little over 400 at the end of the year. And when it went to 400, as soon as it went across 381, that famous figure from 1929, when it went to 400 — and this will be hard for some of you to believe — but everybody wondered, is this 1929 all over again? And that seems a little farfetched, because it was a different country in 1954. But that was the common question. And it actually achieved — it was, you know — it achieved such a level of worry about whether we were about to jump off another cliff, just because the 381 of 1929 have been succeeded — exceeded — that they held — Senator Fulbright — Bill Fulbright of Arkansas, who became very famous later, in terms of the Foreign Relations Committee — but he headed the Senate Banking Committee, and he called a special — for a special investigation and he called it the — what did he call it? — the stock market study, but it really is — if you read through it — he really was questioning whether we had built another house of cards again. And on this committee — it's interesting to see the Senate Finance Committee — one of the members was Prescott Bush, the father of George H.W. Bush, the grandfather of George W. Bush — and had some illustrious names. And his committee, in March of 1955, with the Dow at 405, assembled 20 of the best minds in the United States, to testify as to whether we were going crazy again, because the market was at 400 — the Dow was at 400, and we'd gotten in this incredible trouble before. But that was the mindset of the country. (Inaudible) incredible. We didn't really believe America was what it was. And my boss — the reason I'm familiar with this thousand-page book that I have here — I found it last night in the library — I'd never — was that I was working in New York for one of the 20 people that was called down to testify before Senator Fulbright. And he testified right before Bill Martin, who was running the Federal Reserve, testified and right after General (Robert) Wood, who was running Sears, testified. Sears was very, very important then. And Bill Martin, of course, is the fellow that — the longest running chairman in the history of the Fed, and he's the one that gave the famous quote about the function of the Fed was to take away the punchbowl just when the party started to get really warmed up. But Ben Graham, my boss, sent me over to the public library in New York and — to gather some information for him — something you could do in five minutes with the computer now — and I dug out something, and he went to testify — and on page 545 of this book — I knew where to look, I didn't have to go through it all — but he had the quote, which I remember. And I remember because Ben Graham was the — one of the three — smartest people I've met in my life, and he was the dean of people in the securities business. He wrote the classic "Security Analysis" book in 1934. He wrote the book that changed my life, "The Intelligent Investor," in 1949. He was unbelievably smart. And when he testified, with the Dow at 404, he had one line in there right toward the start in his written testimony, and he said the stock market is high — looks high — it is high, but it's not as high as it looks. But he said it is high.
“没有什么能阻挡美国”
"Nothing can stop America"
沃伦·巴菲特从那时起——我们翻到下一张幻灯片——当然,我们充分感受到了美国这股顺风的全力推动。而道琼斯指数——现在我们看看——嗯,周五道指跌了,但我们制作这张幻灯片时,它大约在 24000 点。所以,你今天看到的这个市场,每一美元已经变成了 100 美元。你只需要抱持对美国的那份信念——只需买入一个代表美国经济横截面的组合。你不必——不必读《华尔街日报》,不必查你的股票价格。不必向任何人支付大笔金钱和费用。你只需要相信美国奇迹完好无损。但在此之前,你经历了 1929 年到——呃,实际上——当然要算到 1954 年——正如指数重回 380 点时所发生的情况表明的那样——你经历了这段考验期。人们在某种程度上确实失去了信心。他们就是看不到美国能创造怎样的潜力。而我们发现——归根结底,当你直面现实时,没有什么能阻挡美国,而且——这一点始终不渝。它可能被中断过,遭遇过最可怕的情景,那就是你有一场战争,一群州和另一群州兵戎相见。它可能在大萧条时期再次受到考验,现在也可能在某种程度上受到考验。但说到底,答案是:永远不要做空美国。在我看来,这一点在今天和在 1789 年同样成立。即便是在——在南北战争期间和大萧条最深处,也同样成立。那么——
WARREN BUFFETTAnd since that time — if we'll turn to the next slide — of course, we felt the American tailwind at full force. And the Dow — now let's see the — yeah, the Dow was down Friday, but when we made the slide it was about 24,000. So, you're looking at a market today that has produced a hundred dollars for every dollar. All you did was have the belief in America — just buy a cross section of America. You didn't — you didn't have to read The Wall Street Journal, you didn't have to look up the price of your stock. You didn't have to pay a lot of money and fees to anybody. You just had to believe that the American miracle was intact. But you'd had this testing period between 1929 and — and well, really — certainly 1954, as indicated by what happened when it got back up to 380 — you had this testing period. And people really had lost faith to some degree. They just didn't see the potential of what America could do. And we've found that — that nothing can stop America when you get right down to it, and — It's been true all along. It may have been interrupted, with the scariest of scenarios, when you had a war with one group of states fighting another group of states. And it may have been tested again in the Great Depression, and it may be tested now to some degree. But in the end, the answer is, never bet against America. And that, in my view, is as true today as it was in 1789. And even was true at the — during the Civil War and in the depths of the Depression. Now —
美国是一个比 1789 年时更好的国家
America is a better country than it was in 1789
沃伦·巴菲特我现在要讲点东西——先别换幻灯片。我要讲的内容,你们当中有些人可能会忍不住跟我争辩,但我要说的是,我们在很多很多方面都不完美。不过我要说——请放下一张幻灯片——跟 1789 年相比,我们现在是一个更好的国家,也是一个难以置信地更富有的国家。我们距离理想状态——以及未来必将达到的状态——还差得很远,但我们确实朝着正确方向迈出了巨大步伐。有意思的是,我们在 1776 年就宣称:“我们认为这些真理是不言而喻的:人人生而平等,造物主赋予他们若干不可剥夺的权利,其中包括生命权、自由权和追求幸福的权利。”然而,14 年后,在我们正式建国(1789 年)并通过宪法一年之后,却发现全国有超过 15% 的人口是奴隶。我们为此挣扎了很久。但当你用到“不言而喻”这个词时,听起来就好像在说任何一个傻瓜都能明白这一点,而关于“生命”和“追求幸福”也许还可以争论一下,但我实在想不通有谁能在承认“自由”的同时,又接受 15% 的人口被奴役这一现实。我们花了很长时间,至少是部分地纠正了这个问题。(听不清)我们付出了内战的代价,失去了 6% 的 18 到 60 岁男性人口。但我们确实在朝着正确方向前进。我们还有很长的路要走,但我们走对了方向。另外,再回到 1776 年的宣言——“人人生而平等,造物主赋予他们……权利”——我认为,在美国建国后超过一半的岁月里,对占总人口 50% 的女性来说,她们并没有得到公平待遇这件事也是“不言而喻”的。在我国 231 年的历史中,足足过了 131 年,女性才被保证有权投票选举国家领导人。更值得注意的是,1920 年我们通过第十九修正案之后,又过了 61 年,才有一位女性获准加入最高法院那八位男性之中。我从小就以为最高法院大概必须由九名男性组成。但 61 年之后,也就是建国 192 年后,桑德拉·戴·奥康纳才被任命为最高法院大法官。你可能会说,这是人才储备渠道的问题。1920 年女性可能占人口一半,但她们可能连律师人数的 10% 都不到。所以,延迟可以理解,但 61 年是一段很长的时间,期间选了 33 位男性——如果这完全是随机事件,就像抛硬币,出现这种结果的概率大约是 80 亿比 1。就像我说的,这是渠道问题。但我们花了很长很长时间。这件事还没完。不过我认为这确实说明了一个事实:我们是一个更好的社会,但还有很大改进空间。我们比 1789 年的社会更好。你去参观殖民地威廉斯堡的时候——我去过几次——事实上,我在那里观看了 1976 年吉米·卡特和杰拉尔德·福特的辩论。你知道,那时候当黑人可不好受。当女人也不好受。这两类群体的状况在兑现 1776 年“人人生而平等是不言而喻的”这一承诺方面,无疑仍有巨大的改进潜力。但我们确实取得了进步。我们是一个更好的社会。随着时间的推移——请翻到下一张幻灯片——我相信,当你评估所有定性事实时,看看我们在实现 1776 年愿景方面所做的努力——1776 年写下的并非事实陈述,而是一份愿景宣言——我们一直在朝着那个愿景努力。我们还有很长的路要走。但我要重申——请翻到下一张幻灯片——永远、永远不要做空美国。
WARREN BUFFETTI'm now about to say something but that — don't change the slide yet. Now I'm about to say something that some of you will be tempted to argue with me about, but I would make the case that we are imperfect in a great, great, great many ways. But I would say — and if you'll put up the next slide — that we are now a better country, as well as an incredibly more wealthy country, than we were in 1789. We're far, far, far from what we should be — will be — but we have gone dramatically in the right direction. It's interesting, we said in 1776, we said, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by their — are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness." And yet, 14 years later, a year after we — we really officially began the country in 1789, adopted a constitution — we found that more than 15 percent of the people in the country were slaves. And we wrestled with that. But when you say the word "self-evident," that sort of sounds like you're saying any damn fool can recognize that, and you certainly say — you can argue maybe a little bit about "life" and "pursuit of happiness," but I don't see how in the world anybody can reconcile "liberty" with the idea that — that 15 percent of the population was enslaved. And it took us a long time to, at least partially, correct that. (Inaudible) took a Civil War. It took losing 6 percent of those people that — males that were between 18 and 60 years of age. But we've moved in the right direction. We've got a long ways to go, but we've moved in the right direction. Now — in addition, going back again to that 1776 statement, that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator, etc. — I think it was self-evident to the 50 percent of the population that they were getting a fair deal for over half the lifetime of the country. It took 131 years of our country's 231 years — it took 131 years until women were guaranteed the right to vote for our country's leaders. And then what's even more remarkable is that after we adopted the 19th Amendment in 1920, it took 61 more years until a woman was allowed to join those eight males on the Supreme Court. I grew up thinking that the Supreme Court, you know, it must have said it had to be nine men. But it, at 61 years, so, it took 192 years before Sandra Day O'Connor was appointed to the court. And now you can say that — that there was a pipeline problem. Half the population may have been women in 1920 but they weren't half the lawyers, or they weren't 10 percent of the lawyers, probably. So, you can understand some delay, but 61 years is a long time to go and to pick 33 males in between — if that was entirely by chance, the odds against that, if we were flipping coins, is about eight billion to one. Now like I said that was a pipeline problem. But it took us a long, long time. And it's not done yet. But I think it does give meaning to the fact that we are a better society with a lot of room to go. We are a better society than existed in 1789. When you go to Colonial Williamsburg, you know, you have that — I've been there a couple of times — a matter of fact, I watched the debate between Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford there, that's in 1976. And, you know, it was not a great time to be black. It was not a great time to be a woman. And both of those categories still have certainly got potential for significant improvement in terms of fulfilling that pledge made in 1776 about how we believe that it's "self-evident all men are created equal." But we have made progress. We are a better society. And we will, as the years go by — if you'll move to the next slide — and I believe that, and I think — let's see if I can get these slides in the proper order. I believe that when you get through evaluating all of the qualitative facts, what we have done toward meeting the aspirations of what we wrote in 1776 — what we wrote in 1776 wasn't a fact — but it was an aspirational document. And we have worked toward those aspirations. And we have a long way to go. But I'll repeat — if you move to the next slide — that never, never bet against America.
押注美国,但“要当心你下注的方式”
Bet on America, but "be careful how you bet"
沃伦·巴菲特接下来——我们谈一个更宽泛的话题:我不知道的事情。我不知道——或许带着偏见,我不认为有谁知道——市场明天、下周、下个月、明年会怎么走。我知道美国会随着时间推移向前发展。但我不确定——2001 年 9 月 10 日,我们学到了这一点;几个月前,在疫情方面,我们又学到了这一点——市场上什么事都可能发生。如果你——你可以押注美国,但你必须小心怎么押,因为——只是因为市场什么事都干得出来。在 1987 年 10 月,大概是那个月——我记得是 10 月 11 日——星期一——市场一天跌了 22%。在 1914 年,他们关闭了股市大约四个月。9/11 之后,市场停了四天,我们拼命让它重新开市。但没人知道明天会发生什么。所以,当你——当你押注——当我告诉你押注美国,告诉你那才是我从 11 岁买第一支股票以来挺过来的原因——我是认真的——我在美国抓住了极其、极其、极其巨大的一股东风。但那阵风并不是每天都朝我的方向吹,而且你也不知道明天会发生什么。
WARREN BUFFETTNow — let's move on now to a broad, much broader, subject: what I don't know. And I don't know — and perhaps with a bias, I don't believe anybody knows — what the market is going to do tomorrow, next week, next month, next year. I know America is going to move forward over time. But I don't know for sure — and we learned this on September 10th, 2001 — and we learned it a few months ago, in terms of the virus — anything can happen in terms of markets. And if you — you can bet on America, but you got to have to be careful about how you bet, because — simply because markets can do anything. On October, whatever it was, in 1987 — October 11th, I believe — Monday — markets went down 22 percent in one day. In 1914, they closed the stock market for about four months. After 9/11 closed the market for four days, we hustled to get it going again. But nobody knows what's going to happen tomorrow. So, when you — when you bet — when I tell you to bet on America, and I tell you that that's what's really gotten me through ever since I was — I bought my first stock when I was 11 — I mean this — I caught a huge, huge, huge tailwind in America. But it didn't — wasn't going to blow in my direction every single day and you don't know what's going to happen tomorrow.
萨姆·纳恩的大流行预警
Sam Nunn's pandemic warning
沃伦·巴菲特我想借着当前这波新闻,说一件你们可能觉得有点意思的事。如果你上 YouTube,会找到 2015 年 6 月 17 日——也就是四年多以前——的一段视频,讲话人是萨姆·纳恩,他是我在美国——乃至全世界——最敬佩的人之一,一位极富爱国精神的杰出参议员。他在离开美国参议院之后,一直从事一项吃力不讨好的工作,领导着一个叫做“核威胁倡议”的组织,你们大多数人可能没听说过,我本人稍有参与。那是萨姆·纳恩创立的。“核威胁倡议”就是一个致力于降低核、化学、生物——如今又加上了网络——领域威胁的组织,不管这些威胁是出于恶意、意外还是其他什么原因,目标都是防止它们夺走数百万美国人的生命。萨姆是该组织的联合创始人,但自成立以来,他始终是组织的灵魂与核心。几十年来,他谈论并担忧的,不仅是核威胁,同样还有大流行病。他参与过兵棋推演,推演各种情景,包括由那些恶意传播大流行病的人发起的情景——就跟 9/11 前后或在那之后不久寄送炭疽信件的疯子是同一类人。萨姆出现在了那段 YouTube 视频里——我敢肯定他还在许多其他场合讲过,我只是恰好查到了这一段——并谈到了大流行病的危险。任何人,无论何时,都应该认真听听萨姆·纳恩的讲话。所以,我——他当时说道:“细菌没有国界。”这句话我们在过去两三个月里确实领教到了。我——我点开 YouTube 时——请翻到下一页——我发现最近这段视频只有 831 次观看,我两天前才查的——可能——我不知道大部分观看量是不是最近几天,或者说最近几个月,由于人们对大流行病产生了关注才增加的。但是,那些还没发生的事,人们就是很难去预先设想。所以,当像眼下疫情这样的事发生时,我们才亲身感受到——确实——很难事先把它考虑进去。这就是为什么,你绝不应该用借来的钱——至少在我看来是这样——绝不应该融资买入投资标的。我们经营伯克希尔就是遵照这一原则。我们的经营之道是,我们真的会尝试去设想最坏的情况,不只是某一件事情出问题,而是多件事情同时出问题,这些事可能部分是由第一件事引发的,但也可能完全与第一件事无关。你知道,你们在——我不知道现在几年级学的——大概比我当年上学时要早,大概五年级或六年级就学过——任何一列数字,只要其中出现一个零,整个乘积就是零。没有任何理由要用借来的钱去搭乘美国国运的顺风车,但却有一切其他理由去参与其中。现在,我忍不住要指出,在 2019 年 10 月,有一本厚重的 300 页的书——我手边就有一本——问世了,约翰斯·霍普金斯大学,这个美国最受尊崇的机构之一、“核威胁倡议”以及《经济学人》旗下的情报部门联手,评估了全球在应对大流行病方面的准备情况,本质上就是做这事。我记得在 11 月,萨姆和前任能源部长欧内斯特·莫尼兹一起来找我,莫尼兹现在是 NTI 的首席执行官,他与萨姆是该组织的联合主席。还有贝丝·卡梅伦,她在这份报告上投入了大量心血,也一同前来。他们给了我这本评估报告——我记得是去年 11 月。报告的开篇——请翻过这一页——这本 300 页巨著的开篇第一句话是:“生物威胁——无论是自然暴发、蓄意为之还是意外泄漏——在任何一个国家发生,都可能对全球健康、国际安全以及世界经济构成风险。”编写这本书,就是为了评估各个国家的准备程度并予以排名。我们的排名还算不错,但所有国家——是所有国家——基本上都得了不及格。你可能会想,凭约翰斯·霍普金斯大学和《经济学人》的声望,再加上萨姆和欧内斯特这样的人,这事总该引起些关注吧。然而,萨姆——翻到下一页——萨姆和其他人于 2019 年 10 月 24 日上了 YouTube,截至几天前,视频播放量也就 1498 次。我的朋友比尔·盖茨几年前在一场 TED 大会上发表过同样的警告,他的视频播放量可大多了。但这恰恰说明了一个事实:你总会遇到晴天霹雳一样的事,你可以读到关于这些事的报告,也可以讨论如果发生某个——就像当年所罗门兄弟公司那帮人总跟我说的——某个 25 个西格玛的事件会怎么样。他们会说,这种事整个宇宙的寿命里才发生一次。结果呢,这种事一个月就能在他们身上发生两回,然后他们就得破产。你根本不会知道未来会发生什么。但你知道,至少在我看来,美国国运的顺风还没耗尽。如果你长期持有股票,就会得到一个不错的结果。
WARREN BUFFETTI would like to, in the context of the present news, point out something you may find kind of interesting. If you go to You Tube, you'll find on June 17th of 2015— four-plus years ago — you'll find Sam Nunn, who is one of the people I admire the most in the United States — in the world — enormous patriot, tremendous senator. And he's carried on thankless work since leaving the Senate of the United States and heading something called the Nuclear Threat Initiative, which most of you haven't heard of, but I've been slightly involved in it. Sam Nunn founded that. And the Nuclear Threat Initiative is simply organizations devoted to trying to reduce the chances of something of a nuclear, chemical, biological, and now cyber, nature from either malevolent or accidental or whatever it may be, from causing deaths to millions of Americans. Among the things in — Sam co-founded it, and — but he's been the heart and soul of the organization subsequently — and he's talked about — worried about — pandemics among — along with the nuclear threat — for decades. And he's participated in wargames where they play out various scenarios, including malevolent pandemics that could be started by the same kind of nut that sent the anthrax letters around 9/11 and a little after. And Sam appeared on this You Tube presentation — and I'm sure he's been on many others, I just happened to look this one up — and talked about the dangers of a pandemic. And anybody should listen to Sam Nunn anytime he talks. So, I — he said at that time, "Germs don't have borders," which we certainly learned in the last couple of months. And I — when I clicked on YouTube — if you'll go to the next — I found out that recently it had 831 views and this was only two days ago I looked it up — and maybe — I don't know whether most of those views have just been the last few days because of — the last few months I should say — because of the interest in pandemics. But it is hard to think about things that haven't happened yet. So, we can experience when something like the current pandemic happens — it's just — it's hard to factor that in. And that's why you never want to use borrowed money, at least in my view, buy on margin to buy into investments. And we run Berkshire that way. We've run it so that we literally try to think of the worst case of not only just one thing going wrong, but other things going wrong at the same time, maybe partly caused by the first, but maybe independent even of the first. And you know, you learned in — I don't know what grade now — probably earlier than when I went to school — in fifth or sixth grade that anything — you can have any series of numbers times zero, and just need one zero in there, and the answer is zero. There's no reason to use borrowed money to participate in the American tailwind, but there's every other reason to participate. Now, I can't resist pointing out that in October of 2019, a large 300-page — I got it right here — book was brought out, and Johns Hopkins, one of the most respected institutions in the country, the Nuclear Threat Initiative, NTI, and the intelligence group at The Economist — collaborated to evaluate the problems of the worldwide preparedness for pandemics, essentially. And I think in November, Sam came out to see me with Ernie Moniz, former secretary of energy, who now is the CEO of the — of NTI. He and Sam are co-chairman. And Beth Cameron, who did a lot of work on this report — came out to see me. And they gave me — in November, I believe, of last year — they gave me this appraisal. And the opening line — if you'll turn the page — this is the opening line of this 300-page tome. "Biological threats — natural, intentional or accidental — in any country can pose risks to global health, international security, and the worldwide economy." And this book was prepared in order to evaluate the preparedness of the various countries and rank them. We ranked pretty well, but all of us got a failing — all of the countries — got a failing grade, basically. Now, you would think that the prestige of Johns Hopkins and The Economist, along with people like Sam and Ernie, etc., that this would have gotten some attention. And again, Sam — turn to the next page — to Sam and the others went on YouTube on October 24th, 2019, and they have racked up, as of a couple days ago, 1498 views. Now my friend Bill Gates was delivering the same warning at a TED talk some years back, and he's gotten a lot more views, but it just says something about the fact that you're going to get bolts from the blue, and you can read papers about them, and you can talk about what will happen if some, as they used — the fellows at Salomon used to tell me some 25 sigma event comes along and they'd say this — that that'll happen once in the life of the universe, you know, and at happens to them a couple of times in a month and they go broke. You just don't know what's going to happen. You know, at least in my view, you know, that America's tailwind is not exhausted. You're going to get a fine result if you own equities over a long period of time.
股票表现优于债券
Stocks do better than bonds
沃伦·巴菲特那种认为股票不会比 30 年期国债表现更好的想法是站不住脚的,现在国债的收益率是 1.25%,而且还是应税收入。美联储的目标是每年 2% 的通胀率。股票的表现会跑赢那支债券。它们会跑赢短期国库券。它们会跑赢你那笔塞在床垫底下的钱。我的意思是,股票是一种极为稳健的投资,前提是,它们被当作投资,而不是当作赌博工具,或者那种你以为可以安全地融资买入之类的东西。有意思的是,股票提供的是——我们总是把股票看作生意的一部分——我的意思是,股票就是生意的一小部分。如果在 1789 年,你攒下了一小笔钱——这在当时可不容易——你可能会用这些积蓄去买一小块很小的地。也许你会买下一栋可以租出去的房子。你当时根本没有机会和十位不同的人合伙,那些人正在兴办企业,并且投入——应该是投入了——他们自己的钱,身后还享有着美国国运的顺风。而这十个人里,相当大比例的人都可能以某种方式取得成功,并赚到不错的回报。但是——这些是你当年面对储蓄时可能有的选择。后来他们开始发行债券——这又让你的回报有了上限——但在那个年代,回报可能有 5% 或 6%,或者差不多的水平。但你买不到没有风险的债券。我的意思是,对我来说,衡量标尺永远是美国国债。当有人给你远比美国国债高出很多的回报时,通常是有原因的——那就是风险要大得多。
WARREN BUFFETTAnd the idea that equities will not produce better results than the 30-year Treasury bond, which yields 1 1/4 percent now — it's taxable income. It's the aim of the Federal Reserve to have 2 percent a year inflation. Equities are going to outperform that bond. They're going to outperform Treasury bills. They're out — they're going to outperform that money you've stuck under your mattress. I mean, there's — they are a enormously sound investment, as long as they're an investment, and they're not a gambling device or something that you think you can safely, you know, buy on margin or whatever it may be. It's interesting that stocks offer which — and stocks are a —we always look at stocks as just being a part of a business — I mean, stocks are a small part of a business. If in 1789, you'd saved a small amount of money — and it wasn't easy to save — you might have bought with those savings — you might have bought a tiny, tiny plot of property. Maybe you bought a house that could be rented to somebody. You didn't really have the chance to buy in with ten different people who were developing businesses and who were putting — presumably putting — their own money in and that would have the American tailwind behind. And — and of the ten, a reasonably high percentage would succeed in a way and earn decent returns. But what — those are the choices you might have had to do with savings. And they started offering bonds originally — and there again you've got a limited return — but the return may have been in those days, may have been 5 or 6 percent, or something of the sort. But you can't buy risk-free bonds. I mean, the yardstick for me is always the U.S. Treasury. And when somebody offers you quite a bit more than the U.S. Treasury, there's usually a reason — there's much more risk.
为什么买股票应该像买农场
Why buying a stock should be like buying a farm
沃伦·巴菲特但回到股票这个话题,人们对待股票时,常常抱着这样一种态度:因为股票有流动性,每分每秒都在报价,所以他们觉得每分每秒都得对股票形成一个看法。只要你仔细想想,就知道这其实相当愚蠢。这也是本杰明·格雷厄姆在 1949 年教会我的东西。我指的是,就这一个念头——股票是生意的一部分,而不是在图表上跳来跳去的小玩意儿——图表在当年非常流行——或者随便什么其他的东西。想象一下,你现在决定投资一笔钱。你买了一个农场,就在这附近的农田——假设你买了 160 英亩,按每股——或者说每英亩 x 美元的价格买下来。你旁边的农场主也有 160 英亩一模一样的土地,同样的地形,同样的质量——土壤质量完全一样。所以,这两块地是完全一样的。而你旁边那个农场主是个非常古怪的家伙。因为每天,那个拥有同样农场的家伙都会说:“我要把我的农场卖给你”——或者“我要买你的农场”——并且报出一个特定的价格。这倒是个十分热心的邻居。我是说,能有这么一个拥有隔壁农场的家伙,绝对是件好事。普通农场可没这种待遇。但股票有。你想买 100 股通用汽车。周一早上,就会有人以完全一样的价格买你的 100 股,或者卖给你另外 100 股,而且一周五天,天天如此。但想象一下,如果你有个农场主也这么干。你买农场的时候,看的是这个农场能产出什么。这才是你脑子里闪过的东西。你对自己说:我出 x 美元一英亩,我觉得平均下来能收这么多蒲式耳的玉米或大豆,有些年景好,有些年景差,有些年份价格好,有些年份价格差,等等。你考虑的是农场的潜力。可现在,你旁边来了这么个白痴,也买了个农场——而且他还躁郁,酗酒,可能还抽点大麻,所以他的报价完全乱来。你唯一要做的事,就是记住:这家伙在你旁边,是来为你服务的,不是来指导你的。你买下那个农场,是因为你觉得它有潜力。你根本不需要它的报价。想想看,如果你当初是与约翰·D·洛克菲勒或安德鲁·卡内基合伙——当时根本没有报价——好吧,后来有报价了——但本质上,你是在投资一门生意,你买股票时做的正是这件事。但股票额外给了你一个优势:你确实有这么个邻居,你完全没必要听他的,他却每天给你报一个价。他情绪会起起落落。说不定他会报出一个愚蠢的买入价,到那时,如果你想卖,就可以卖给他。或者他报一个非常低的价格,你就可以从他手里买下他的农场。但你不需要非得这么做。你也不希望让自己落到一个必须卖出的境地。股票有一个巨大的天生优势:每时每刻都有人向你喊价。但很多人却把这个优势变成了劣势。当然,很多人又能以这样或那样的方式从中获利——靠告诉你他们能告诉你这个农场主——也就是你那个邻居农场主——明天、下周或者下个月会喊出什么价。这里面油水极大。所以,人们会告诉你这很重要,他们懂行,你应该非常重视他们关于价格应如何变动的想法;或者你告诉自己,两者之间理应存在天壤之别。但事实是,如果你在病毒到来之前就拥有你喜欢的生意——病毒会改变价格,也会改变其他东西——但没有人逼你卖出。如果你真的喜欢那门生意,喜欢与你共事的管理层,而且这门生意没有发生根本性改变——这一点我稍后会在报告伯克希尔的情况时略作展开,我保证,很快会讲到。股票有巨大的优势。你依然可以押注美国。但除非你愿意、并且有一种眼光,能独立决定你想要拥有美国经济的一个截面,否则你无从下注——因为我认为大多数人没有能力挑选个股。少数人也许可以,但——总的来说,我认为人们最好还是买入美国经济的一个截面,然后把它忘掉。如果你这么做了——如果我大学一毕业就这么做了——我只需要做到这一点,就能获得 100 比 1 的回报,还能额外收到股息,这些股息随着时间推移还会大幅增长。美国的顺风是了不起的。美国企业代表了——它会遇到中断,而且你无法预见这些中断,你也不希望让自己陷入被这些中断影响到的境地,无论是因为你加了杠杆,还是因为你心理上无法承受盯着一堆数字看。如果你真的有一个农场,你有这么个邻居,有一天他出价 2000 美元一英亩,第二天他出价 1200 美元一英亩,可能第三天他出价 800 美元一英亩——难道你真的会因为他在出价 2000 美元一英亩的时候,你已经评估过这个农场能产出什么,你却要让这家伙逼着你心想,我还是卖了吧,因为这个报价一直在往下掉?在持有普通股时,保持正确的心理态度,是一件极其极其极其重要的事。但我要告诉你,如果你押注美国,并且把这个头寸持续几十年,你的表现会——在我看来——远比持有美国国债要好。或者,远比听从那些告诉你那个农场主接下来会喊什么价的人要好。人们花大价钱买来的建议,其实他们根本不需要,而且给出建议的人很可能是出于好心,也相信他们自己那一套。但事实是——你没法——你不可能靠让大家围绕一家企业短线交易,就给所有人都带来超额回报。一家企业能交付的,就是这家企业的产出。那种认为你能比旁边的人更聪明,或者给你建议的人能比旁边——坐你旁边的那个人——更聪明的想法——这其实是个错误的方法。所以,去寻找企业——买一个截面。在我看来,对大多数人来说,最好的办法就是持有标普 500 指数基金。人们会试图向你兜售别的东西,因为那样他们能赚到更多钱。我并不是说他们是有意为之。大多数——大多数优秀的销售人员都相信自己那套鬼话。我是说,这是成为优秀销售人员的一部分。我确信我这一生也干过不少这种事。但这非常人性化。如果你不断重复某件事——往往也是为什么律师会让证人一遍又一遍地重复同样的话,等他们站上证人席时,他们就会相信那些话,无论一开始是不是真的。
WARREN BUFFETTBut going back to stocks, people bring the attitude to them too often that because they are liquid and quoted minute-by-minute, that it's important that you develop an opinion on them, minute-by-minute. Now that's really foolish when you think about it. And that's something Benjamin Graham taught me in 1949. I mean, that single thought, that stocks were parts of businesses and not just little things that moved around on charts or — charts were very popular in those days — whatever it may be. Imagine for a moment that you decided to invest money now. And you bought a farm, and the farmland around here — let's say you bought 160 acres and you bought it at x per share — or per acre. And the farmer next to you had 160 identical acres, same contour, same quality — soil quality. So, it was — it was identical. And that farmer next door to you was a very peculiar character. Because every day that farmer with the identical farm said, "I'll sell you my farm" — or "I'll buy your farm" — at a certain price which he would name. Now, that's a very obliging neighbor. I mean, that's got to be a plus to have a fellow like that with the next farm. You don't get that with farms. You get it with stocks. You want a hundred shares of General Motors. On Monday morning, somebody will buy your hundred shares or sell you another hundred shares at exactly the same price, and that goes on five days a week. But just imagine if you had a farmer doing that. When you bought the farm, you looked to what the farm would produce. That was what went through your mind. You're saying to yourself, I'm paying x dollars per acre, I think I'll get so many bushels of corn or soybeans on average, some years good, some years bad, some years the price will be good, some years the price will be bad, etc. But you think about the potential of the farm. And now you get this idiot that buys a farm next to you and — and on top of that he's sort of a manic depressive and drinks, maybe smokes a little pot, so his numbers just go all over the place. Now, the only thing you have to do is to remember that this guy next door is there to serve you and not to instruct you. You bought the farm because you thought the farm was — had the potential. You don't really need a quote on it. You know, if you bought in with John D. Rockefeller, or Andrew Carnegie, there were never any quotes — well, there were quotes later on, but — but basically, you bought into the business, and that's what you're doing when you buy stocks. But you get this added advantage that you do have this neighbor, who you're not obliged to listen to at all, who is going to give you a price every day. And he's going to have his ups and downs. And maybe he'll name a silly price that he'll buy at, in which case you sell, if you want to. Or maybe he'll name a very low price and you'll buy his farm from him. But you don't have to. And you don't want to put yourself in a position where you have to sell. Stocks have this enormous inherent advantage of people yelling out prices all the time to you. And many people turn that into a disadvantage. And of course, many people can profit in one way or another from telling — telling you that they can tell you what this farmer is going to yell out tomorrow or next — your neighboring farmer — is going to yell out tomorrow or next week or next month. There's huge money in it. So, people tell you that it's important and they know and that you should pay a lot of attention to their thoughts about what price changes should be, or you tell yourself that there should be this great difference. But the truth is, if you owned the businesses you liked prior to the virus arriving — it changes prices and it changes — but nobody's forcing you to sell. And if you really like the business, and you like the management you're in with, and the business hasn't fundamentally changed — and I'll get to that a little when I report on Berkshire, which I will soon, I promise. Stocks have an enormous advantage. And you still can bet on America. But you can't bet unless you're willing, and have an outlook, to independently decide that you want to own a cross section of America, because I don't think most people are in a position to pick single stocks. A few may be, but — but on balance, I think people are much better off buying a cross section of America and just forgetting about it. If you'd done that — if I'd done that when I got out of college, it's all I had to do to make 100-for-1 and collect dividends on top of it, which increased — would increase substantially over time. The American tailwind is marvelous. American business represents — and it's going to have interruptions and you're not going to foresee the interruptions, and you do not want to get yourself in a position where those interruptions can — can affect you, either because you're leveraged or because you're psychologically unable to handle looking at a bunch of numbers. If you really had a farm, and you had this neighbor and one day he offered you $2,000 an acre, and the next day he offers you $1200 an acre, and maybe the day after that he offers you $800 an acre, are you really going to feel that at $2,000 an acre, when you had evaluated what the farm would produce, are you going to let this guy drive you into thinking I better sell because this number keeps coming in lower all the time? It's a very, very, very important matter to bring the right psychological approach to owning common stocks. But I will tell you if you bet on America and sustain that position for decades, you're going to do better than — than — in my view — far better than owning Treasury securities. Or far better than following people who tell you what the farmer is going to yell out next. There's huge amounts of money that people pay for advice they really don't need and for advice where the person giving it can be very well meaning and believe their own line. But the truth is that — that you can't have — you can't deliver superior results to everybody by just having them trade around a business. A business is going to deliver what the business produces. And the idea that you can outsmart the person next to you, or that the person advising you can outsmart the next — the person sitting next to you — is — well, it's really the wrong approach. So, find businesses — get a cross section. In my view, for most people, the best thing to do is to own the S&P 500 index fund. People will try and sell you other things because there's more money in it for them if they do. And I'm not saying that that's a conscious act on their part. Most — most good salespeople believe their own baloney. I mean, that's part of being a good salesperson. And I'm sure I've done plenty of that in my life, too. But it's very human. If you keep repeating something — often that's why lawyers get — have the witnesses keep saying things over and over again that by the time they get on the witness stand, they'll — they'll believe it whether it was true in the first place or not. The—
“我希望我已经说服你押注美国”
"I hope I've convinced you to bet on America"
沃伦·巴菲特在我看来,你在持有普通股时,是在和一件本质上具有优势的东西打交道。我这辈子都会押注美国。我希望伯克希尔的继任者也这么做。现在我们以两种不同的方式来做这件事:通过收购整个企业,也通过购买企业的一部分。我想强调一点——好吧,我想给你们一些数据,这些数据与我们第一季度的活动有关,还有我们在四月份做的事情。我们并非总是正确——我们确实试图挑选我们认为自己理解的企业。我们不买入标普 500 指数。当我们收购企业时,我们喜欢收购整个企业,但我们没有太多机会这么做。大多数最好的企业都不整体出售。但我们完全不介意购买企业的部分权益,我们宁愿拥有一家优秀公司 6% 或 7% 或 8% 的股份,并将其本质上视为那家公司的合伙权益。我们通过有价证券有机会这么做,有时机会比其他时候更多。说到这里,我希望我已经说服你——去押注美国。我不是说现在就是买入股票的正确时机,如果你认为“正确”意味着股票会涨而不是跌。我不知道它们在接下来的一天、一周、一个月或一年里会走向何方。但我希望我知道的足够多——好吧,我觉得我可以买入一个横截面,并在 20 或 30 年内表现得很好。对于一个 89 岁的人来说,我认为这算是一个乐观的看法。但我真心希望,每个人都以购买企业合伙权益的心态来买入股票,而不是把它们看作可以上下摆动的筹码。
WARREN BUFFETTYou are dealing with something fundamentally advantageous, in my view, in owning common stocks. I will bet on America the rest of my life. And I hope my successors at Berkshire do it. Now we do it in two different ways. We do it by buying entire businesses, and we buy parts of businesses. And I would like to emphasize that — well, I'd like to give you a few figures that will tie in from our activities in the first quarter. And also, what we've done in April. We are not right about — we do try to pick the businesses that we think we understand. We don't buy the S&P 500. And we like to buy the entire businesses when we buy them. But we don't get a chance to do that very often. Most of the best businesses are not available for sale in their entirety. But we don't mind in the least buying partial interests in businesses, and we would rather own 6 or 7 or 8 percent of a wonderful company and regard it as a partnership interest, essentially, in that company. And we get an opportunity to do that through marketable securities and sometimes we get more opportunities than others. And with that, I hope I've convinced you to — to bet on America. I'm not saying that this is the right time to buy stocks, if you mean by "right," that they're going to go up instead of down. I don't know where they're going to go in the next day or week or month or year. But I hope I know enough to know — well, I think I can buy a cross section and do fine over 20 or 30 years. And I think that's kind of, for a guy of 89, taking an optimistic viewpoint. But I hope that, really, everybody would buy stocks with the idea that they're buying partnerships in businesses and they wouldn't look at them as chips to move around, up or down.
病毒将影响伯克希尔的经营利润
Virus will affect Berkshire's operating earnings
沃伦·巴菲特我们现在快速过一下——我看到我们拿到了贝基的邮箱地址——如果你对我说的内容或其他事情有疑问,可以发邮件给她,她就在后面,估计正忙得焦头烂额,一边处理涌入的问题,一边挑出她优先要问的。但欢迎你——我今天讲到的任何内容——都发给她。稍后我主持正式会议时,也会一直显示她的邮箱地址。简单说一下伯克希尔一季度的表现。如果切到——我们那张幻灯片有吗?好,出来了。我们的经营利润是——10-Q 里讲得详细得多,也确实不值得花时间细说——但第一季度的经营利润对预测接下来一年会发生什么完全没有任何意义。我也不知道关闭美国经济会带来什么后果。我知道,无论我们做什么,最终经济都会恢复运转。我们可能会犯错——我们一定会犯错——在这次发言以及后面的时间里——我不会去事后评判别人的决策,因为没人能确切知道采取任何一种别的做法会产生什么结果,诸如此类。但我们能确定的是,在未来一段时间内——当然是今年剩下的时间,但也可能持续相当长一段时间,谁知道呢——我们的经营利润会比疫情没有出现时更低,而且会低得多。这就是事实——它对我们一部分业务的打击相当严重。你看,一封锁——我们有些业务实际上已经停摆。而另一些业务受到的影响则小得多。我们的三大主业——保险、BNSF 铁路以及我们的能源业务——这三块是我们规模最大、远超其他业务的三块——处境还算不错。它们的资本支出会超过折旧。因此,一部分利润——连用折旧——会用于增加固定资产——但基本上这些业务即使利润有所下降,仍能产生现金,而且——
WARREN BUFFETTWe will just now take a quick look — and I see we've got the — Becky's email address — so if you have questions on what I've said or other things, you can email these questions and she is back there, probably, sort of a madhouse trying to handle questions coming in and pick out the ones she's going to prioritize. But feel free to — anything I've talked about so far — to send along to her. And we'll keep her address up when I later hold the formal part of the meeting, too. Very briefly, in terms of Berkshire in the first quarter. If you'll put up — we have the slides on that? There we are. We — our operating earnings were — and there's much more about this in the 10-Q, and it's really not worth spending any real time on — but the operating earnings for the first quarter have no meaning whatsoever in terms of forecasting what's going to happen the next year. And I don't know the consequences of shutting down the American economy. I know eventually it will work, whatever we do. We may make mistakes — we will make mistakes — and I'm not — during this talk and later on — I'm not going to be second guessing people on this because nobody knows for sure what any alternative action would produce or anything of the sort. But what we do know is that for some period, certainly during the balance of the year, but it could go on a considerable period of time, who knows. But our operating earnings will be less — considerably less — than if the virus hadn't come along. I mean, that's just — it — it hurts some of our businesses a lot. I mean, you shut down — some of our businesses effectively have been shut down. It affects others much less. Our three major businesses of insurance and the BNSF railroad — railroad and our energy business, those are our three largest by some margin — they're in a reasonably decent position. They will — they'll spend more than their depreciation. So, some of the earnings will go — along with depreciation — will go toward increasing fixed assets — but basically these businesses will produce cash even though their earnings decline somewhat and —
伯克希尔为何永远会持有“充足现金”
Why Berkshire will always have "plenty of cash"
沃伦·巴菲特如果我们进入第二部分——在伯克希尔,我们让自己处于极其强势的地位。我们永远会这样做。这是根本。我们为人们提供保险——我们在某种程度上是专业机构,而且是领先者——这不是我们的主业——但我们销售结构化结算。这意味着有人遭遇了严重事故,通常是车祸,他们需要在未来 10 年、30 年、50 年内接受护理。他们的家人或律师足够明智,在我们看来,与其拿一大笔现金和解,不如安排好在个人一生中分期支付,用于支付他们的医疗账单——账单——或其他什么。而我们——我们规模很大——我们有非常非常多的人,实际上是把他们的福祉押注在伯克希尔的承诺上,由我们来照顾他们,像我说的,未来 50 年甚至更久。现在,我——我绝不会在任何情况下拿别人的钱去冒险。查理和我都来自经营合伙企业的背景。我 1956 年就开始了,最初只有七个人,要么是家庭成员,要么是类似的人。查理六年以后也做了同样的事。我们从未——我想我俩都没有——我知道我没有——我几乎可以肯定查理也一样——我们从未有一个机构投资者。我是说,我们为别人管理的每一分钱都来自个人,是带有面孔的人——或者实体——带有面孔的钱。所以,我们一直觉得我们的工作本质上就是受托人,希望在我们要实现的目标上,还算是个挺聪明的受托人。但受托人这个层面一直非常重要。对结构化结算的那些人如此。对公司上下也是如此。但对所有者来说,这点同样极其重要。所以我们永远从强势地位出发。现在,在我展示的幻灯片上——我们回到上一张。好。我展示了我们截至 3 月 31 日的净——现金和国库券持仓。你可能会看这个说,嗯,你有大约 1250 亿现金——在国库券里。而你至少有——在那个时点——大约 1800 亿左右的股票。你可能会说,和只有 1800 亿的股票相比,持有这么多国库券真是一个巨大的头寸。但我们实际持有的股票远不止这些,因为我们拥有大量企业。我们百分之百持有大量企业的股份,对我们来说,它们和我们持有的可交易股票非常相似。我们只是全资拥有它们。它们没有报价。但我们有数千亿美元的完全控股企业,所以它们——1240 亿,这个比例并非某个——比如说,40% 左右。现金头寸比那少得多。而且我们会永远在手头持有充足的现金,应对任何情况。如果再来一次 9·11,如果股市像第一次世界大战时那样关闭——它不会,但你知道,我 1 月份看克雷顿大学对维拉诺瓦大学的比赛时,也没想到会遭遇一场大流行病,所以——我们希望伯克希尔处于这样的位置——你还记得《欲望号街车》里的布兰奇·杜波依斯吗——这比你们多数人早了——她说她不想——布兰奇说,她依赖于陌生人的善意。而我们甚至不想依赖朋友的善意,因为有时候,钱几乎会停滞。
WARREN BUFFETTAnd if we'll go to part two — we at Berkshire, we keep ourselves in an extraordinarily strong position. We'll always do that. That's just — that's fundamental. We insure people — we're a specialist to some extent, and the leader — it's not our main business — but we sell structured settlements. That means somebody gets in a terrible accident, usually an auto accident, and they're going to require care for 10, 30, 50 years. And their family or their lawyer is wise enough, in our view, that rather than take some big cash settlement, to essentially arrange to have money paid over the lifetime of the individual to take care of their medical wills — bills — or whatever it may be. And we're — we're a large — we've got many, many, many people that, in effect, have staked their wellbeing on the promises of Berkshire to take care of them for, like I say, 50 years or longer into the future. Now, I would be — I would never take real chances with money under — of other people's money — under any circumstances. Both Charlie and I come from a background where we ran partnerships. I started mine in 1956 for, really, seven, either actual family members or the equivalent. And Charlie did the same thing six years later. And we never — neither one of us, I think — I know I didn't — I'm virtually certainly the same is true of Charlie — neither one of us ever had a single institution investment with us. I mean, every single bit of money we managed for other people was from individuals, people with faces attached to them — or entities — or money with faces attached to them. And so, we've always felt that our job is basically that of a trustee and, hopefully a reasonably smart trustee, in terms of what we're trying to accomplish. But the trustee aspect has been very important. It's true for the people with the structured settlements. It's true for — up and down the line. But it's true for the owners very much, too. So we always operate from a position of strength. Now, I show on — on the slide that's up, I show our — well, let's go back one. Yeah. I show our net — our cash and Treasury bill position on March 31st. And you might look at that and say, well, you've got 125 billion or so in cash — in Treasury bills. And you've got, at least at that point, we had about 180 billion or so in equities. And you can say, well, that's a huge position, having Treasury bills versus just 180 billion in equities. But we really have far more than that in equities because we own a lot of businesses. We own a hundred percent of the stock of a great many businesses, which to us are very similar to the marketable stocks we own. We just own them all. They don't have a quote on them. But we have hundreds of billions of wholly-owned businesses, and so they are — 124 billion, that's not a — not some, you know, 40 percent or so. The cash position is far less than that. And we will always keep plenty of cash on hand and for any circumstances. If a 9/11 comes along, if the stock market is closed as it was in World War I —it's not going to be, but you know, I didn't think we were going to be having a pandemic when I watched that Creighton-Villanova game in January either, so — We want to be in a position at Berkshire where — well you remember Blanche DuBois in "A Streetcar Named Desire" — that's goes back before many of you — but she said she didn't want to — she, in Blanche's case, she said that she depended on the kindness of strangers. And we don't want to be dependent on the kindness of friends, even, because there are times when money almost stops.
美联储主席杰罗姆·鲍威尔因解冻信贷市场而备受赞誉
Fed's Jerome Powell praised for unfreezing credit
沃伦·巴菲特但当时的情况是,资金——投资级公司基本要被市场拒之门外了。全国各地的首席财务官们一直被教导要设法最大化股权资本回报率。于是,他们在一定程度上通过商业票据为自己融资,因为那很便宜,而且还有银行信贷额度等作为后备。他们——他们——让债务累积起来——许多公司的债务悄悄攀升了不少。然后,自然而然,他们被市场发生的情况吓破了胆,尤其是股市,于是争先恐后地去提取信贷额度。这让那些提供信贷额度的人大感意外,变得非常紧张。华尔街吸收这场始于 3 月中旬的流动性挤兑的能力已被逼到了极限,以至于美联储在观察到这些市场状况后,决定必须采取非常大力度的行动。我们到了这样一个地步:美国国债市场,这个全球最深度的市场,也变得有些失序了。当这种情况发生时,相信我,全国每家银行和首席财务官都知道这意味着什么,他们会恐惧地做出反应,而恐惧是你所能想象的最具传染性的疾病。跟它比起来,病毒都小巫见大巫了。我们险些导致那些世界上最大型、依赖信贷的公司面临信贷全面冻结的局面。值得高度赞扬的是(美联储主席)杰伊·鲍威尔——多年来,在以美联储主席来说——我一直把(前美联储主席)保罗·沃尔克放在一个特殊的位置——一个特殊的基座上——我们有过很多非常优秀的美联储主席,但保罗·沃尔克,我把他排在首位。我再推荐一本书。保罗·沃尔克大约在——这里——我不知道,可能不到一年前或稍早一点前去世。但就在他去世前不久,他写了一本书,叫《坚持到底》。如果你联系我在 Bookworm 书店的朋友们,我想你会喜欢读那本书的。保罗·沃尔克在很多方面都是一位巨人。他个头也很大。他和杰伊·鲍威尔在性情等方面完全找不到任何相似之处。但在我看来,杰伊·鲍威尔和美联储理事会,现在也该被请上那个基座,因为——和他一起——因为他们在 3 月中旬采取了行动——可能多少受到了他们在 2008 和 2009 年所见所闻的启发——他们做出了强有力的应对,基本上让此后发生的事情得以按现有的方式展开。3 月份,当市场基本冻结时——大约在月中过后不久——最终——因为美联储在 3 月 23 日采取了这些行动——它最终成了,我相信,历史上公司债券发行规模最大的单月。然后 4 月份紧随其后,规模甚至更大,你看到各种各样的公司都在抢购涌向市场的任何发行机会,利差实际上反而收窄了——每一个在 3 月底和 4 月发行债券的人都应该给美联储寄一封感谢信,因为如果他们不是以相当前所未有的速度和决心行事,这一切根本不会发生。我们终将知道膨胀的美联储资产负债表会带来什么后果——你可以去看看美联储的资产负债表,他们每周四都会公布——如果你像我一样有点怪,那读起来还挺有意思的——但它在每周四都会公布在互联网上,你会看到过去六七周里发生的一些非同寻常的变化。就像我说过的,我们不知道那会有什么后果,也没人确切知道。我们也不知道那些毫无疑问将不得不做的事会带来什么后果。但我们确实知道什么都不做的后果。而那——曾是美联储在过去许多年里倾向于做的——不是什么都不做——而是做得不够。但(前欧洲央行行长)马里奥·德拉吉,为欧洲带来了“不惜一切代价”的立场。而美联储在 3 月中旬,可以说是做到了“不惜一切代价的平方”。我们欠他们一个巨大的感谢。但我们伯克希尔做好了准备。我们始终基于这样一种假设做准备:也许未来的美联储主席不会像那样行事。我们真心希望为任何情况做好准备。这便部分解释了为什么我们持有 1240 亿的现金和国库券。我们并不需要全部。但我们绝不想依赖任何人的善意,不仅是陌生人的善意,也包括朋友的善意。
WARREN BUFFETTBut we — money was — investment grade companies were essentially going to be frozen out of the market. CFOs all over the country have been taught to sort of maximize returns on equity capital. So, they finance themselves to some extent through commercial paper because that was very cheap. And it was backed up by bank lines and all of that. And they — and they — they let the debt create — creep up quite a bit at many companies. And then of course, they had the hell scared out of them by what was happening in markets, particularly the equity markets, and so they rushed to draw down lines of credit. That surprised the people who had extended those lines of credit, and they got very nervous. And the capacity of Wall Street to absorb a rush to liquidity that was taking place in mid-March was strained to the limit, to the point where the Federal Reserve, observing these markets, decided they had to move in a very big way. We got to the point where the U.S. Treasury market, the deepest of all markets, got somewhat disorganized. And when that happens, believe me, every bank and CFO in the country knows it, and they react with fear, and fear is the most contagious disease you can imagine. It makes the virus look like a piker. And we came very close to having a total freeze of credit to the largest companies in the world who were depending on it. And to the great credit of (Federal Reserve Chair) Jay Powell — I've always had (former Fed chair) Paul Volcker up on a special place — a special pedestal — in terms of Federal Reserve chairmen over the years — we've had a lot of very good Fed chairmen, but Paul Volcker, I had him at the top of the list. And I'll recommend another book. Paul Volcker died about — here — I don't know, less than maybe a year ago or a little less. But not much before he died, he wrote a book called "Keeping At It." If you call my friends at the Bookworm, I think you'll enjoy reading that book. Paul Volcker was a giant in many ways. He was a big guy, too. He and Jay Powell couldn't see more in temperament or anything. But Jay Powell, in my view, and the Fed board, belong up there on that pedestal, because — with him — because they acted in the middle of March — probably somewhat instructed by what they'd seen in 2008 and '09 — they reacted in a huge way and essentially allowed what's happened since that time to play out the way it has. March, when the market had essentially frozen — could— a little after mid-month — ended up — because the Fed took these actions on March 23rd — it ended up being the largest month for corporate debt issuance, I believe, in history. And then April followed through and was even — was even — with even a larger month, and you saw all kinds of companies grabbing everything coming to market and spreads actually narrowed and — and every one of those people that issued bonds in late March and April ought to send a thank you letter to the Fed, because it would not have happened if they hadn't operated with really unprecedented speed and determination. And we'll know the consequences of swelling the Fed's balance sheet — you can look at the Fed's balance sheet, they put it out every Thursday — it's kind of interesting reading if you sort of a nut like me — but it's up there on the internet every Thursday, and you'll see some extraordinary changes there in the last six or seven weeks. And like I say, we don't know the consequences of that. And nobody does, exactly. And we don't know the consequences of what, undoubtedly, we'll have to do. But we do know the consequences of doing nothing. And that's — would have been the tendency of the Fed in many years past — not doing nothing — but doing something inadequate. But (former European Central Bank President) Mario Draghi, you know, brought the "whatever it takes" to Europe. And the Fed, in mid-March sort of did whatever it takes squared. And we owe them a huge thank you. But we're prepared at Berkshire. We always prepare on the add — on the basis that maybe the Fed will not have a chairman that acts like that. And we really want to be prepared for anything. So that explains some of the 124 billion in cash and bills. We don't need it all. But we do never want to be dependent on, not only the kindness of strangers, but the kindness of friends.
伯克希尔第一季度在股票上“做得非常非常少”
Berkshire did "very, very little" on stocks in Q1
沃伦·巴菲特现在,下一张幻灯片是我们——在股票方面所做的。这些数字当你仔细去看时,是微不足道的。我的意思是,对于拥有大概 5000 亿左右净资产——不,不是净资产——而是年初市值,或者接近那个数字的规模来说。你知道,我们——我们买入了 17 亿美元的股票,我们的买入比卖出多出大概 20 亿美元。但就像你在上一张幻灯片中看到的,我们有 50 亿,接近 60 亿的经营利润。所以,第一季度我们做得非常非常少。
WARREN BUFFETTNow, in the next slide we have the — what we did in — in equities. And these numbers are tiny when you get right down to it. I mean, for having 500 billion or so in net worth — I mean, not net worth — but in market value at the start of the year, or something close to that. You know, our — we bought in 1.7 billion of stock and our purchases were a couple of billion more than our sales of equities. But as you saw in the previous slide, we had operating earnings of 5, almost 6 billion. And so, we did very, very little in the first quarter.
巴菲特:买入航空股是个错误
Buffett: Buying airline stocks was a mistake
沃伦·巴菲特然后我又加了一组数字,这些数字通常我是不会向你们展示的。但我想确保,如果我要跟你们谈投资和股票——比我平时谈得更多——我想让你们知道伯克希尔现在的实际动作。你们会看到,在 4 月份,我们净卖出了大约 60 亿美元的证券。这基本上——这不是因为我们觉得股市要跌或者诸如此类的原因,也不是因为有人调整了目标价,或者改变了今年的盈利预测。我只是认定,我在评估时犯了个错——那是个情有可原的错。当初买入时,我们做了一个概率加权后的决策,认为在航空业进行投资,我们投入的钱能获得有吸引力的回报。于是,我们买入了四大航空公司大约 10% 的股份。我们大概——这并不——这不是我们在 4 月份的全部操作——但我们大概花了 70 到 80 亿美元——介于 70 亿到 80 亿之间——来持有航空业这四家大公司 10% 的股份。我们觉得,为此我们大致能拿到 10 亿美元的盈利。当然,这不是——我们拿不到 10 亿美元的股息。但我们觉得,我们在底层盈利中的份额是 10 亿美元,而且我们认为,在一段时间内,这个数字更有可能上升而非下降,尽管它显然会有周期性。但——但这就像是——就像我们买下了整个公司,只不过我们是通过纽交所买入的,实际上只能有效持有这四家公司各大约 10% 的股份。我们没有——我们在心理上完全把它当作买入一项生意来对待。而——而结果证明,我对那门生意的判断是错的,原因完全不在于四位优秀的首席执行官。我是说,相信我,当航空公司的 CEO 可没什么乐趣,但我们买入的这些公司管理得很好。它们做了很多正确的事。这是一门极其、极其、极其困难的生意,因为你每天要跟几百万乘客打交道,如果出了问题,哪怕只占其中 1%,他们也会非常不满。所以,我不羡慕任何当航空公司 CEO 的人,但我尤其不喜欢在这种时期干这份工作——这时候,基本上没人——人们被告知,基本上别坐飞机。我也被告知暂时别飞。我很期待能再飞。我可能不会坐商业航班,但那又是另一个问题了。但——但航空业——我可能错了,而且我希望我是错的——但我认为,这个行业发生了非常重大的变化。而且,变化显然体现在这样一个事实上:这四家公司——每一家可能都要借入平均至少 100 亿到 120 亿美元。那么,你必须在一段时间内用盈利来偿还这些债务。我的意思是,如果那样的话,你的状况会差 100 到 120 亿美元,当然,有些情况下还得发行股票,或者以这些价格出售购股权。这又会侵蚀未来的上涨空间——而且我不知道,不管是两三年后,会不会有跟去年一样多的乘客飞行里程。可能会,也可能不会。但未来,这门生意会如何发展,对我来说要模糊得多,而且这完全不是航空公司自身的问题。这是一件低概率的事件。它发生了,而且它带来的伤害尤其——你知道,不管是对旅游业、酒店业、邮轮业、主题公园业——但特别是航空业,当然,航空业有一个问题:如果业务量恢复到 70% 或 80%,飞机并不会消失。所以,你会有——你会有太多飞机。但几个月前下单和做安排的时候,情况看起来可不是那样。但世界对航空公司来说已经变了。我祝它们好运,但这是我们已经持有的其中一门生意——我们有一些直接持有的生意,也会受到严重冲击。病毒会让伯克希尔损失金钱。这不会让我们损失金钱,是因为我们的股票和其他各种生意在波动。我的意思是,如果某只股票——比如 XYZ,那是我们的持股之一,我们把它当作一项生意来持有,而且我们喜欢这门生意——如果股价下跌 20%、30% 或 40%,我们不会觉得自己变穷了。但在那些航空生意实际发生的情况面前,我们觉得自己变穷了,就好像我们百分之百拥有它们一样。这就解释了那些卖出操作,它们相对来说是次要的。但我想确保没有人认为这涉及到对市场的预测。伯克希尔的情况基本就是这些。
WARREN BUFFETTAnd then I've added another figure, which I wouldn't normally present to you. But I want to be sure that if I'm talking to you about investments and stocks — more than I usually have — I want you to know what Berkshire is actually doing now. You'll see in the month of April that we net sold 6 billion or so of securities. And that's basically — that isn't because we thought the stock market was going to go down or anything of the sort, or because some — somebody changes their target price, or they change this year's earnings forecast. I just decided that I'd made a mistake in evaluating — it was an understandable mistake. It was a probability-weighted decision when we bought that we were getting an attractive amount for our money when investing across the airlines business. So, we bought roughly 10 percent of the four largest airlines. And we probably — this doesn't — is not a hundred percent of what we did in April — but we probably paid 7 or 8 billion — somewhere between 7 and 8 billion — to own 10 percent of the four large companies in the airline business. And we felt for that, we were getting a billion dollars, roughly, of earnings. Now, it wasn't — we weren't getting a billion dollars of dividends. But we felt our share of the underlying earnings was a billion dollars and we felt that that number was more likely to go up than down over a period of time, that it would be cyclical, obviously. But — but it was — it was as if we'd bought the whole company, but we bought it through the New York Stock Exchange and we can only effectively buy 10 percent, roughly, of the four. And we didn't — we treat it mentally exactly as if we were buying a business. And — and it turned out I was wrong about that business because of something that was not in any way the fault of four excellent CEOs. I mean, believe me, no joy being a CEO of a airline, but the companies we bought are well managed. They did a lot of things right. It's a very, very, very difficult business because you're dealing with millions of people every day and if something goes wrong, for 1 percent of them, they are very unhappy. So, I don't envy anybody the job of being CEO of an airline, but I particularly don't enjoy him — being in a period like this where essentially nobody in — people have been told, basically, not to fly. I've been told not to fly for a while. I'm looking forward to flying. I may not fly commercial, but that's another question. But the — but the airline business — and I may be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong — but I think it changed in a very major way. And it's obviously changed in the fact that there are four companies — are each going to borrow perhaps an average of at least 10 or 12 billion each. Well, you have to pay that back out of earnings over some period of time. I mean, you're 10 or $12 billion worse off if that happens, and of course, in some cases are having to sell stock or sell the right to buy a stock at these prices. And that takes away from the upside on — And I don't know, whether it's two or three years from now, that as many people will fly as many passenger miles as they did last year. They may and they may not. But the future is much less clear to me about how the business will turn out through absolutely no fault of the airlines themselves. It's something that was a low-probability event. It happened and it happened to hurt particularly — you know, whether it's the travel business, the hotel business, cruise business, theme park business — but the airline business in particular and of course, the airline business has the problem that if the business comes back 70 percent or 80 percent, the aircraft don't disappear. So, you've got — you've got too many planes. But it didn't look that way when the orders were placed a few months ago and when the arrangements were made. But the world changed for airlines. And I wish them well, but it's one of the businesses we have — we have businesses we own directly that are going to be hurt significantly. The virus will cost Berkshire money. It doesn't cost money because our stock, and various other businesses, moves around. I mean, if XYZ, which is — say it's one of our holdings, and we own it as a business, and we like the business — if the stock goes down 20 or 30 or 40 percent, we don't feel we're poor in that situation. We felt we were poor, in terms of what had actually happened to those airline businesses, just as if we owned a hundred percent of them. So that explains those sales, which are relatively minor. But I want to make sure that nobody thinks that that involves a market prediction. And that pretty well wraps it up for Berkshire.
正式年报会议开始
Formal corporate meeting begins
沃伦·巴菲特现在,我们进入会议的正式部分,随后将进行相当长的问答环节,如果贝基收到很多问题的话。在我们进行年会正式部分的时候——这部分不太精彩——所以你们可以随意离开——不管你们通过什么方式观看。如果你们想向贝基提问,我们会把她的联系方式留在屏幕上。或者你们想给自己做个三明治,或者做点别的什么,我们这就开始——或者你们可以关注会议的正式部分。但我们会进行这个环节,不会花太长时间,然后我们就会进入问答环节。那么,有鉴于此,我宣布会议开始。这段是按照脚本来的,如果你们从我说话里听不出来的话。我是沃伦·巴菲特,公司董事会主席,欢迎各位参加本次 2020 年股东大会。马克·汉堡是伯克希尔·哈撒韦的秘书,他将对会议过程做书面记录。丹·亚克西奇被任命为本次会议的选举监察官。他将对董事选举以及本次会议将投票表决的各项动议的投票数进行认证。本次会议指定的代理投票人是沃尔特·斯科特和马克·汉堡。秘书先生,是否有关于伯克希尔发行在外、有权投票以及出席会议的股份数量的报告?
WARREN BUFFETTSo now we move into the formal part of the meeting, which will be followed by a fairly extended question and answer period, if there are a lot of questions with Becky. And while we're doing this formal part of the meeting — it's not too exciting — so feel free to leave your — whatever you're viewing this through. And if you want to send questions to Becky, we'll keep her contact information up on the screen. Or if you want to fix yourself a sandwich or do anything else, we will now move — or you can pay attention to the formal part of the meeting. But we will do this and it won't take too long, and then we will move on to the question and answer meeting. So, with that, I will call the meeting to order. And this follows the script, if you can't tell by what I'm saying. I'm Warren Buffett, chairman of the board of directors of the company and I welcome you to this 2020 annual meeting of shareholders. Marc Hamburg is secretary of Berkshire Hathaway and he will make a written record of the proceedings. Dan Jaksich has been appointed inspector of elections at this meeting. He will certify to the count of votes cast in the election for directors and the motions to be voted upon at this meeting. The named proxy holders for this meeting are Walter Scott and Marc Hamburg. Does the secretary have a report of the number of Berkshire shares outstanding, entitled to vote, and represented at the meeting?
马克·汉堡是的,我有。正如随附本次会议通知的代理声明中所述——该通知已于 2020 年 3 月 4 日(本次会议的股权登记日)发送给所有登记在册的股东——发行在外的伯克希尔·哈撒韦 A 类普通股为 699,123 股,每股有权对会议审议的动议投一票;发行在外的伯克希尔·哈撒韦 B 类普通股为 1,382,352,370 股,每股有权对会议审议的动议投 1/10,000 票。截至 4 月 30 日(周四)晚,通过代理投票返回的股份中,有 472,037 股 A 类股和 834,802,274 股 B 类股出席了本次会议。
MARC HAMBURGYes, I do. As indicated in the proxy statement that accompanied this note — the notice of this meeting — that was sent to all shareholders of record on March 4th, 2020, the record date for this meeting, there were 699,123 shares of Class A Berkshire Hathaway common stock outstanding, with each share entitled to one vote on motions considered at the meeting, and 1,382,352,370 shares of Class B Berkshire Hathaway common stock outstanding, with each share entitled to 1/10,000 of one vote, on motions considered at the meeting. Of that number, 472,037 Class A shares and 834,802,274 Class B shares are represented at this meeting by proxies returned through Thursday evening, April 30th.
沃伦·巴菲特谢谢。这一数字构成法定人数,因此我们将直接进行会议。第一项议程是宣读上次股东大会的会议记录。我请黛比·博萨内克小姐向大会提交一项动议。
WARREN BUFFETTThank you. That number represents a quorum and we will therefore directly proceed with the meeting. First order of business will be a reading of the minutes of the last meeting of shareholders. I recognize Miss Debbie Bosanek, who will place a motion before the meeting.
黛比·博萨内克我动议免于宣读上次股东大会的会议记录,并批准该记录。
DEBBIE BOSANEKI move that the reading of the minutes of the last meeting of shareholders be dispensed with and the minutes be approved.
沃伦·巴菲特有人附议吗?
WARREN BUFFETTDo I hear a second?
现场人士我附议。
UNIDENTIFIED VOICEI second the motion.
沃伦·巴菲特动议通过。
WARREN BUFFETTThe motion is carried.
伯克希尔董事选举
Berkshire directors elected
沃伦·巴菲特下一项议程是选举董事。我请黛比·博萨内克小姐就董事选举向大会提交一项动议。
WARREN BUFFETTThe next item of business is to elect directors. I recognize Miss Debbie Bosanek to place a motion before the meeting with respect to election of directors.
黛比·博萨内克我动议选举沃伦·巴菲特、查尔斯·芒格、格雷戈里·阿贝尔、霍华德·巴菲特、斯蒂芬·伯克、肯尼斯·切诺特、苏珊·德克尔、大卫·戈特斯曼、夏洛特·盖曼、阿吉特·贾恩、托马斯·墨菲、罗纳德·奥尔森、沃尔特·斯科特和梅丽尔·维特默为董事。
DEBBIE BOSANEKI move that Warren Buffett, Charles Munger, Gregory Abel, Howard Buffett, Stephen Burke, Kenneth Chenault, Susan Decker, David Gottesman, Charlotte Guyman, Ajit Jain, Thomas Murphy, Ronald Olson, Walter Scott, and Meryl Witmer be elected as directors.
现场人士我附议。
UNIDENTIFIED VOICEI second the motion.
沃伦·巴菲特有人动议并附议,选举沃伦·巴菲特、查尔斯·芒格、格雷格·阿贝尔、霍华德·巴菲特、史蒂夫·伯克、肯·切诺特、苏珊·德克尔、大卫·戈特斯曼、夏洛特·盖曼、阿吉特·贾恩、汤姆·墨菲、罗恩·奥尔森、沃尔特·斯科特和梅丽尔·维特默为董事。提名已准备就绪,可以付诸表决。亚克西奇先生,你准备好后可以做报告了。
WARREN BUFFETTIt has been moved and seconded that Warren Buffett, Charles Munger, Greg Abel, Howard Buffett, Steve Burke, Ken Chenault, Susan Decker, David Gottesman, Charlotte Guyman, Ajit Jain, Tom Murphy, Ron Olson, Walter Scott, and Meryl Witmer be elected as directors. The nominations are ready to be acted upon. Mr. Jaksich, when you're ready, you may give your report.
丹·亚克西奇我的报告已准备好。委托投票人根据截至上周四晚间收到的委托书,为每位被提名人投出了不少于 543,203 票。这一票数超过了所有已发行 A 类股和 B 类股总票数的多数。特拉华州法律要求的精确计票证明将提交给秘书,以与本会会议记录一并存档。
DAN JAKSICHMy report is ready. The ballot of the proxy holders in response to proxies that were received through last Thursday evening, cast not less than 543,203 votes for each nominee. That number exceeds a majority of the number of the total votes of all Class A and Class B shares outstanding. The certification required by Delaware law of the precise count of the votes will be given to the secretary to be placed with the minutes of this meeting.
沃伦·巴菲特谢谢,亚克西奇先生。
WARREN BUFFETTThank you, Mr. Jaksich.
沃伦·巴菲特沃伦·巴菲特、查理·芒格、格雷格·阿贝尔、霍华德·巴菲特、史蒂夫·伯克、肯·切诺特、苏珊·德克尔、大卫·戈特斯曼、夏洛特·盖曼、阿吉特·贾恩、汤姆·墨菲、罗恩·奥尔森、沃尔特·斯科特和梅丽尔·维特默已当选为董事。肯,如果你在看,或者在听——肯·切诺特,我们的新董事,实际上得票率是所有董事中最高的。我补充一句,远远高出我。那么,恭喜你,肯。
WARREN BUFFETTWarren Buffett, Charles Munger, Greg Abel, Howard Buffett, Steve Burke, Ken Chenault, Susan Decker, David Gottesman, Charlotte Guyman, Ajit Jain, Tom Murphy, Ron Olson, Walter Scott, and Meryl Witmer have been elected as directors. And Ken, if you're watching, or listening — Ken Chenault, our new director, actually got the highest vote of all the directors. Well ahead of me, I might add. So, congratulations, Ken.
高管薪酬咨询投票
Advisory compensation votes
沃伦·巴菲特议程上的下一项,是关于伯克希尔·哈撒韦高管薪酬的咨询投票。我请黛比·博萨内克小姐就此议题向会议提出动议。
WARREN BUFFETTThe next item on the agenda is an advisory vote on the compensation of Berkshire Hathaway's executive officers. I recognize Miss Debbie Bosanek to place a motion before the meeting on this item.
黛比·博萨内克我动议,公司股东以咨询方式批准向公司列名高管支付的薪酬,相关薪酬已按 S-K 条例第 402 项要求予以披露,包括薪酬讨论与分析、所附薪酬表格及相关叙述性讨论,均载于公司 2020 年股东大会委托声明书。
DEBBIE BOSANEKI move that the shareholders of the company approve, on an advisory basis, the compensation paid to the company's named executive officers, as disclosed pursuant to Item 402 of Regulation S-K, including the compensation discussion and analysis, the accompanying compensation tables, and the related narrative discussion, in the company's 2020 annual meeting proxy statement.
现场人士我附议。
UNIDENTIFIED VOICEI second the motion.
沃伦·巴菲特有人已动议并附议,由公司股东以咨询方式批准向公司列名高管支付的薪酬。亚克西奇先生,你准备好后可以开始报告。
WARREN BUFFETTIt has been moved and seconded that the shareholders of the company approve, on an advisory basis, the compensation paid to the company's named executive officers. Mr. Jaksich, when you are ready, you may give your report.
丹·亚克西奇我的报告已准备好。委托投票人根据截至上周四晚间收到的委托书,投出了不少于 519,750 票,以咨询方式批准向公司列名高管支付的薪酬。这一票数超过了所有已发行 A 类股和 B 类股总票数的多数。特拉华州法律要求的精确计票证明将提交给秘书,以与本会会议记录一并存档。
DAN JAKSICHMy report is ready. The ballot of the proxy holders, in response to proxies that were received through last Thursday evening, cast not less than 519,750 votes to approve, on an advisory basis, the compensation to the company's named executive officers — the compensation paid to the companies named executive officers. That number exceeds a majority of the number of the total votes of all Class A and Class B shares outstanding. The certification required by Delaware law of the precise count of the votes will be given to the secretary to be placed with the minutes of this meeting.
沃伦·巴菲特谢谢,亚克西奇先生。以咨询方式批准向公司列名高管支付薪酬的动议已通过。议程下一项,是关于伯克希尔·哈撒韦高管薪酬股东咨询投票频率的咨询投票。我请黛比·博萨内克小姐就此议题向会议提出动议。
WARREN BUFFETTThank you. Mr. Jaksich. The motion to approve, on an advisory basis, the compensation paid to the company's named executive officers has passed. The next item on the agenda is an advisory vote on the frequency of a shareholder advisory vote on compensation of Berkshire Hathaway's executive officers. I recognize Miss Debbie Bosanek to place a motion before the meeting on this item.
黛比·博萨内克我动议,公司股东以咨询方式决定其就公司列名高管薪酬进行咨询投票的频率——可选每年、每两年或每三年一次——如公司 2020 年股东大会委托声明书所述。
DEBBIE BOSANEKI move that the shareholders of the company determine, on an advisory basis, the frequency — whether annual, biannual, or triennial — with which they shall have an advisory vote on the compensation paid to the company's named executive officers, as set forth in the company's 2020 annual meeting proxy statement.
现场人士我附议。
UNIDENTIFIED VOICEI second the motion.
沃伦·巴菲特有人已动议并附议,由公司股东决定就列名高管薪酬进行咨询投票的频率,可选每年、每两年或每三年一次。亚克西奇先生,你准备好后可以开始报告。
WARREN BUFFETTIt's been moved and seconded that the shareholders of the company determine the frequency with which they have — they shall have an advisory vote on compensation of named executive officers with the option being every one, two, or three years. Mr. Jaksich, when you are ready, you may give your report.
丹·亚克西奇我的报告已准备好。委托投票人根据截至上周四晚间收到的委托书,就公司列名高管薪酬咨询投票的频率投出了 131,443 票支持每年一次,2,228 票支持每两年一次,419,984 票支持每三年一次。特拉华州法律要求的精确计票证明将提交给秘书,以与本会会议记录一并存档。
DAN JAKSICHMy report is ready. The ballot of the proxy holders, in response to proxies that were received through last Thursday evening, cast 131,443 votes for a frequency of every year, 2228 votes for a frequency of every two years, and 419,984 votes for a frequency of every three years of an advisory vote on the compensation paid to the company's named executive officers. The certification required by Delaware law of the precise count of the votes will be given to the secretary to be placed with the minutes of this meeting.
沃伦·巴菲特谢谢,杰克逊先生。公司股东已以咨询方式决定,每三年就公司列名高管薪酬进行一次咨询投票。
WARREN BUFFETTThank you, Mr. Jackson. The shareholders of the company have determined on an advisory basis that they shall have an advisory vote on the compensation paid to the company's named executive officers every three years.
关于董事会与管理层多元化的提案
Proposal for board and management diversity
沃伦·巴菲特我们现在已经走完了那些大体上属于格式化的决议,接下来这一项更重要一些。我们已经在 berkshirehathaway.com 网站上放了一些与这项动议有关的材料,希望股东和其他人都能看一看,因为这很重要,而且——嗯,我这么描述吧——讲稿上写的是,下一项议题是由纽约市雇员退休系统、纽约市教师退休系统、纽约市警察养老基金、纽约市消防养老基金(这些基金合称“各系统”)的董事会所提出的一项动议。该动议已载于委托书。动议请求公司采取一项旨在改善董事会和高层管理团队多元化的政策。董事们建议股东投票反对该提案。我想在这里暂时打断一下讲稿,提一点:当我们发现无法让股东亲临现场参加本次会议,无法让他们前往奥马哈并聚集在一起——这实际上连州长、市长和公共安全官员都觉得不可取——我们此前是希望能有审计长办公室的人来陈述动议,然后在会上就正反双方的理由好好讨论一番的,因为这是一个颇为严肃、重要的话题,而且——我可以以个人身份告诉大家,就他希望世界朝哪个方向发展而言,我认为我与审计长的想法是一致的。但我——对于这项动议的具体内容,无论是在更广泛的层面,还是特别针对伯克希尔董事会而言,我都持不同意见。多年来我们一直直言不讳。关于董事资质,我们写过的内容可能比我能想到的任何一家上市公司都要多。我们多年来立场始终如一,也解释了其中的原因。我们知道有很多人不同意这一立场。因此,我此前——我是非常欢迎把这件事拿到我们的会上来讨论,让我们的股东听听他们的说法,并评估我们——我们的想法。后来我们不得不,实质上,不允许股东到场参会,我们立刻联系了审计长办公室。我们说我们可以破一次例,如果审计长办公室有任何人愿意出来陈述这项提案——或者说这项提议——并参与我们关于正反意见的讨论。正如各位可能预料到的,他们无法派人前来。于是我们——我们提议——我们可能一开始就提过——我们很乐意请人代表他们介绍动议。同时,如果他们能发一份支持声明过来,我们也很乐意让那位实质上是他们委托代表的人来陈述动议——我们很乐意让他们宣读那份支持声明。我们说过,请他们尽量控制在五分钟以内。他们立刻回信——或者说立刻回邮件——表示很乐意这样做,甚至会尽量控制在三分钟以内。所以,他们已经——他们发来了一份支持声明,稍后就会有人读给你们听,我很高兴他们这么做了。我非常希望股东们,以及其他人,能倾听——或者已经听过了——支持声明的内容。我们也会宣读他们在委托书中为支持其提案所陈述的原始论点。然后我们会宣读我们建议投反对票的理由,因为这是个重要议题。我确实非常希望,如果明年审计长办公室有人愿意来,我们将很乐意进行一次更充分的讨论。那么,接下来,我将请汉堡先生宣读一份由纽约市审计长为支持本动议而准备的声明。
WARREN BUFFETTNow we're through with sort of the boilerplate resolutions, and this next item is of more importance. And we have put up on the berkshirehathaway.com site, some material relating to this motion, which I hope shareholders and others read, because it's important and it's — well, I'll describe it as to — The script says, the next item of business is a motion put forth by the boards of trustees of the New York City Employees' Retirement System, the New York City Teachers' Retirement System, the New York City Police Pension Fund, the New York City Fire Pension Fund, funds collectively called "the Systems." The motion is set forth in the proxy statement. The motion requests that the company adopt a policy for improving board and top management diversity. The directors have recommended the shareholders vote against the proposal. I'd like to interrupt the script here just a second to point out that we — when we saw that it would be impossible to have shareholders attend this meeting and traveling to Omaha, and gathering in gatherings, which really neither the governor, the mayor, or the public safety people, thought would be advisable. We were hoping to have somebody from the comptroller's office come and present the motion and then have a good discussion at the meeting of the pros and cons, because it's a very — it's a serious, important subject and — I can tell you on a personal basis, I think I'm in sync with the comptroller, in terms of how he wants the world to evolve. But I'm not — I disagree on the specifics of this motion as applied to — more generally and to Berkshire's board in particular. And we've been very outspoken over the years. We've probably written more on qualifications for directors, than probably, any public company I can think of. And we've been consistent over the years and we've explained the reasons for our position. And we know a great many people disagree with that position. So, I was — I welcome the idea of really presenting to our meeting and having our shareholders hear what they had to say, and evaluate what we had — what our thoughts were. And when we had to, essentially, not allow shareholders at the meeting, we immediately got in touch with the comptroller's office. And we said we'd make an exception, if anybody from the comptroller's office wanted to come out and present the proposition — or the proposal — and engage in our discussion of pros and cons. And as you might expect, they were not in a position to send somebody. And we — so we offered — we may have made it even in the first place — we'd be glad to have somebody introduce the motion on their behalf. And that we would also, if they would send along a supporting statement, we would be glad to have the person that was their proxy, in effect, present the motion — we'd be happy to have them read the supporting statement. And we said we'd appreciate it if they keep it to five minutes or less. And they wrote back immediately and — or emailed back immediately — and said that they'd be delighted to do it that way. And they'd even try and keep it down to three minutes. So, they've — they have sent a supporting statement, which is going to be read to you in a minute, and I'm glad they did it. I do hope shareholders will, or have already, and others, will read — will listen to what the supporting statement says. And we'll also read the original arguments that they made in the proxy for their proposal. And then we'll read our reasons for voting against the — suggest voting against, because it's an important topic. And I really hope that next year that if somebody from the comptroller's office wishes to come out, we'd be glad to have even a more fulsome discussion of the subject. So, with that, I will now recognize Mr. Hamburg to read a statement prepared by the comptroller of the City of New York in support of the motion.
马克·汉堡谢谢。主席先生、各位董事、各位股东。我是伯克希尔·哈撒韦的马克·汉堡,在此代表纽约市审计长斯科特·斯特林格及纽约市各养老基金提交第四号提案。截至 2 月,这些基金拥有约 2110 亿美元资产,是伯克希尔·哈撒韦重要的长期股东,持有 250 万股。我们的提案要求伯克希尔·哈撒韦董事会通过一项多元化搜寻政策,规定在遴选新任董事和外部 CEO 时,初始候选人名单中必须包含合格的女性以及种族或族裔多元化的候选人。首先,我们要赞扬各位董事吸纳了肯尼斯·切诺尔特先生,以及董事会中女性成员占比达到 21% 这一事实。我们也要认可,高管后备梯队中包含多元化的候选人,比如另一位董事会成员阿吉特·贾恩先生。其次,我们赞赏巴菲特先生认识到,董事会中的女性在历史上一直很罕见。更重要的是,尽管女性在一个世纪前就赢得了在投票站中表达意见的权利,但要在董事会中取得类似地位,仍是一项任重道远的工作。我们通过这项股东提案所寻求的,正是推动这一特定进程向前迈进。第三,巴菲特先生提到的一点是,他只收购符合三个标准的企业,其中第二个标准是能干且诚实的经理人,而董事会最重要的职责是找到并留住有才能的 CEO。我们注意到,在审视伯克希尔·哈撒韦持仓市值最大的股票投资时,这 10 家公司全都拥有符合我们董事会多元化要求的董事会。本质上,伯克希尔·哈撒韦认为值得投资的公司,正是那些董事会更为多元化的公司。第四,我们想澄清,通过这项股东提案,我们并不是要求伯克希尔·哈撒韦董事会——我们的守护者——在其构成方面达到可量化的最终结果,而是要求在董事会席位的初始候选人池中,应包含一名女性和另一名种族或族裔多元化的个人。我们相信,这些候选人如果合格,也同样会具备极高的诚信、商业头脑、股东导向意识以及对公司的切实兴趣。根据 2016 年《哈佛商业评论》的一项研究,在最终候选人名单中纳入不止一名女性或少数族裔成员,有助于抑制度考官的无意识偏见,并提高实现多元化聘任的可能性。我们所要求的,只是朝着这个方向迈出一小步,即在搜寻之初就纳入多元化候选人。最后,我们要赞扬伯克希尔·哈撒韦健全的内部 CEO 继任计划。我们的提案指出,CEO 多元化政策应仅适用于外部搜寻的情况。纽约市审计长办公室对从未有机会与董事或管理层讨论我们的提案感到失望,但仍对建设性接触持开放态度。在此,我们强烈敦促伯克希尔·哈撒韦股东支持第四号提案。谢谢。
MARC HAMBURGThank you. Mr. Chairman, members of the board, fellow shareholders. I'm Marc Hamburg from Berkshire Hathaway and I'm here to present Proposal Four, on behalf of the New York City comptroller, Scott Stringer, and the New York City pension funds. The funds have approximately $211 billion in assets as of February and are substantial long-term Berkshire Hathaway shareowners with 2.5 million shares. Our proposal requests that Berkshire Hathaway's board adopt a diversity search policy requiring that the initial candidates from which new director nominees and external CEOs are chosen include qualified female, and racially or ethnically diverse, candidates. First of all, we would like to commend the directors for the addition of Mr. Kenneth Chenault, and the fact that 21 percent of the board is made up of women. We would also like to recognize that the executive pipeline includes diverse candidates, including Mr. Ajit Jain, another board member. Secondly, we applaud Mr. Buffett's recognition that women in the boardroom have historically been rare. And even more importantly, that although women won the right to have their voices heard in a voting booth a century ago, attaining similar status in a board room, remains a work in progress. With our shareowner proposal, what we are seeking is to nudge this particular process forward. Thirdly, one of the things that Mr. Buffett mentions is that he only buys businesses that have three criteria, the second of which is able and honest managers, and that the most important duty for a board is to find and retain a talented CEO. We would note that in reviewing Berkshire Hathaway's largest stock market holdings of businesses, all 10 of these companies have boards that meet our board diversity requirement. In essence, the companies that Berkshire Hathaway has found fit to invest in are those that have more diverse boards. Fourthly, we would like to clarify that through this shareholder proposal, we are not asking for the Berkshire Hathaway board, our guardians, to have a quantifiable end result in terms of its composition, but that an initial pool of candidates for a board seat include a woman and another individual who is racially or ethnically diverse. We believe these candidates, if qualified, would also have very high integrity, business savvy, shareholder orientation, and a genuine interest in the company. According to a 2016 Harvard Business Review study, including more than one woman, or a member of a racial minority, in a finalist pool helps combat the unconscious biases amongst interviewers and increases the likelihood of a diverse hire. What we are requesting is a small step in that direction, to include diverse candidates at the beginning of the search. Finally, we would like to applaud Berkshire Hathaway's robust internal CEO succession plans. Our proposal states that a CEO diversity policy should only apply in the case of an external search. The New York City comptroller's office is disappointed that we never had the opportunity to discuss our proposal with directors or management but remain open to constructive engagement. In the interim, we strongly urge Berkshire Hathaway shareholders to support Proposal Four. Thank you.
沃伦·巴菲特好。谢谢,马克。也感谢审计长——感谢他提供这份支持声明。动议现已可以付诸表决。贾克西奇先生,准备好了就可以做你的报告了。
WARREN BUFFETTOK. Thanks, Marc. And thank you to the comptroller for the — for presenting that supporting statement. The motion is now ready to be acted upon. Mr. Jaksich, when you are ready, you may give your report.
丹·贾克西奇我的报告已经准备好了。根据截至上周四晚间收到的委托书,委托投票人的投票结果为:65,925 票支持该动议,485,824 票反对该动议。由于反对票数超过了就该事项正确投票的所有 A 类和 B 类股份所代表票数的多数,也超过了所有已发行股份的总票数,该动议未获通过。特拉华州法律要求提供的投票精确计票证明将提交给——将提交给秘书,并附入本次会议记录。
DAN JAKSICHMy report is ready. The ballot of the proxy holders, in response to proxies that were received through last Thursday evening, cast 65,925 votes for the motion, and 485,824 votes against the motion. As the number of votes against the motion exceeds a majority of the number of votes of all Class A and Class B shares properly cast on the matter, as well as all votes outstanding, the motion has failed. The certification required by Delaware law of the precise count of the votes will be put — will be given to the secretary to be placed with the minutes of this meeting.
沃伦·巴菲特谢谢你,贾克西奇先生。提案未获通过。
WARREN BUFFETTThank you, Mr. Jaksich. The proposal fails.
黛比·博萨内克我提议本次会议休会。
DEBBIE BOSANEKI move that this meeting be adjourned.
现场人士我附议休会动议。
UNIDENTIFIED VOICEI second the motion to adjourn.
沃伦·巴菲特休会动议已提出并获附议。会议休会。谢谢各位。
WARREN BUFFETTThe motion to adjourn has been made and seconded. The meeting is adjourned. So, thank you.